[WikiEN-l] Things about admins

[Jesse W]

On Jul 17, 2006, at 9:52 AM, Timwi wrote:
>> I think people are used to forums and Usenet where proof by assertion
>> is a valid technique and where saying the same thing only louder will
>> very often work.
>
> Admins get away with that all the time.
>
> "Admin XYZ called me names and insulted me, he needs his admin powers
> revoked!" - XYZ: "Ah, but you violated [[WP:3RR]] and [[WP:TLA]] and
> [[WP:YHNCTSMYT]], get lost, EOD."
I'm sorry, but if you think citing Wikipedia policy such as the 
three-revert rule (which can and *is* verifiable, look at a users 
contribs) is "proof by assertion" you are simply mistaken.  "Proof by 
assertion" would be something like: "X is a bad person, because I say 
so." being considered a proof that X is indeed a bad person.  Claiming 
X did something verifiable, in order to explain to X why e is being 
sanctioned for doing it, is nothing even a little like "proof by 
assertion".  Please be more careful in your future postings, if you 
want people to continue to take you seriously.

> Maybe I think this way because I was treated that way on my very first
> day. Although admittedly I didn't get blocked or anything, I did make a
> good-faith contribution which was, within minutes, deleted (the correct
> action would have been to turn it into a redirect). Not knowing that
> someone consciously deleted it (there was nothing to indicate this, and
> to this day there still isn't anything to indicate this to newbies, so
> the first impression is a technical glitch),
Actually, now there *is* a nice, (hopefully) clear line in the message 
that comes up when you go to a redlinked page, that says: 
(paraphrasing) "If you expected a page to be here, it may be a database 
delay, or it may have been deleted - click *here* to check the deletion 
log, and *here* to see the discussion, if there was one."  So, while 
this certainly may not have been there when you made your page, and it 
certainly may be able to be further clarified or explained (I'd *love* 
any suggestions you'd care to make on this subject), there *is* such a 
message.  (And once the developers get the "oversight" bit better 
arranged, hopefully we can turn the viewing of deleted edit summaries 
and revision dates back on, which will make it even more obvious.)

Jesse Weinstein