On 10/23/05, Keith Old <keithold(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I refer to ASCAP's guidelines which state " ASCAP members are individuals
who make their living writing music. As a society of composers,
songwriters,
lyricists and music publishers, we know very well that there are many
steps
between creation and compensation; months, if not years, can pass between
the creation of a song, its recording, its release, its performance, and
the
day when the revenues due to the writer actually arrive. A music creator
is
like a small business, and ASCAP exists to ensure that music creators are
paid promptly when their works are performed publicly."
By the time that a songwriter earns revenue, the song has to be recorded,
released, sold to the public and played on radio and television. By that
stage, the performers would meet WP:music in any event.
Really? I guess I misread the page. Let's take [[Tina Vero]], for instance (
http://www.tinavero.com/).
1) Has had a Top 100 hit on any national music chart, in a large or
medium-sized country
No.
2) Has gone on an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in
a large or medium-sized
country*<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:MUSIC#Note>
No.
3) Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more
important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more
than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable)
No. She's released one album on an independent label (Handmade Muse) she
created herself.
4) Has been prominently featured in any major music media.
No. Minor features in minor music media maybe, some articles in local
college newspapers and the like, an article in the New York Times which
wasn't really about her music, but no prominent features in any major music
media.
5) Contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a
band that is otherwise extremely notable
None of the musicians who have worked with her would pass wp:music.
6) Has become the most prominent representative of a notable style or the
local scene of a city
No.
7) Has won a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno or Mercury Music
Award
Nope.
But has she received play on local radio stations? Yes. Is she in ASCAP?
Yes. Has she released an album? Yes. Can a verifiable article be written
about her? Yes.
I would accept ASCAP listing in voting on AfD articles about a performer.
That performer is very likely to have achieved
notability by that stage in
any event but thanks for bringing the resource to my attention.
Now you say very likely to have achieved notability. Which one is it? Does
[[Tina Vero]] pass wp:music or not? Would you vote to keep or delete an
article on her? Do I need to come up with more examples? She just happened
to be the first one I checked, I'm sure I could find many more. The next one
I checked was [[Andy & Denise]] (
http://www.andyanddenise.com/). In ASCAP.
Would they pass wp:music? I checked [[CC Railroad]] (
http://www.ccrailroad.com/), and they're not in ASCAP as far as I can tell,
but they are in artistdirect. Would you consider them verifiable or not?
In any case, there's a huge gap between verifiability and [[WP:MUSIC]].
That's the gap I'm talking about, so your strawmen about unverifiable
artists is irrelevant.
Anthony