[WikiEN-l] Re: How did this happen (comixpedia??)

[geni]

On 11/15/05, David Gerard <dgerard at gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh, it's much better than that. There is in fact a real genuine actual
> peer-reviewed academic journal on comics called ImageTexT
> (http://www.english.ufl.edu/imagetext/). One of the managing editors
> is Phil Sandifer, who you will know better as Snowspinner. In a
> jawdropping assumption of bad faith (which is, of course, the reason
> why AFD is so poisonous to the Wikipedia community in its present
> form), the AFD regulars did their damnedest to get coverage in it
> excluded from the webcomics guidelines *because* Snowspinner was the
> editor. The excuse was that he was too involved or too close or knew
> too much or something.
>
> This was after they'd driven off a previous comics expert for knowing
> more than them on the topic, leading him to say "you people are
> clearly idiots" and form Comixpedia.
>
> geni will, if he reads back, agree that this is closer to the
> chronology of what actually happened in the formation of the comics
> inclusion guidelines: (1) provably bad AFD, (2) deliberate attempt to
> exclude academic expert for being an expert, (3) guidelines then
> formed such that the bad AFD would have led to a deletion.
>
> (Don't take my word for it - read the talk page, it's amazing. Note in
> particular the direct assertion that editors who confess to knowing
> *NOTHING* on a topic should have their opinions count just as much as
> an actual provable expert, for the purposes of achieving "consensus" -
> remembering that the AFD jargon meaning of "consensus" is a two-thirds
> vote. Therefore, that a two-thirds majority of editors who
> *admittedly* know nothing at all about a topic can get the topic
> excluded from Wikipedia altogether over the objections of experts on
> said topic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Webcomics/Notability_and_inclusion_guidelines
> )
>
>
> - d.

So the problem would appear to be people. I belive you are currently
in a position to do something about them. If people are abuseing
process x,y or z deal with them. Trying to chnage the process will
never work becuase people will always be able to come up with
initertive ways to abuse it.

--
geni