[WikiEN-l] Category:Soviet spies

[Chip Berlet]

This proposal has a lot of merit, and gets us out of a tricky situation.

-Cberlet

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> My recommendation: [[Category:Alleged Soviet spies]] (serious 
> allegations only, thankyouverymuch), and [[Category:Convicted 
> Soviet spies]]. In both cases we avoid having to make a value 
> judgment as to the truth of said espionage accusation by 
> making it into a category bestowed by other people. (That is, 
> whether the Rosenbergs were Soviet spies is still disputed by 
> some, but none would dispute that they were convicted as such).
> 
> FF
> 
> On 11/7/05, Sam Korn <smoddy at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I suggest you bring this up on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:CFD
> >
> > I agree that the change needs to be made.  Perhaps there can be a 
> > second category for confirmed Soviet spies.
> >
> > Sam
> >
> > On 11/7/05, Chip Berlet <c.berlet at publiceye.org> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > The Wikipedia entry "Category:Soviet spies" is a magnet for a 
> > > defamation lawsuit. Many of the people in the list were never 
> > > indicted, and some denied the charge in public. At least 
> one person 
> > > is still alive: "Harry Magdoff".
> > >
> > > At best, this should be renamed to something like: 
> "Category:Accused 
> > > Soviet spies" .
> > >
> > > I freely confess I have a vested interest in this matter, 
> currently 
> > > well into the second month of mdiation with Nobs01on a related 
> > > matter without a single compromise paragraph having been written:
> > >
> > > 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation/Cberle
> > > t_and_Nobs01/Workshop
> > >
> > > 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation/Cberle
> > > t_and_Nobs01
> > >
> > > 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation/Cberle
> > > t_and_Nobs01/A3
> > >
> > > But since this mediation seems to be dragging on for months, I 
> > > though that I would mention this now, rather than wait for the 
> > > mediation to hit the year 2006.
> > >
> > > Some folks here on this list should consider the possible 
> defmation 
> > > issue very seriously. I messed up my first attempt to 
> deal with this 
> > > on Wiki. I meant to suggest a name change or deletion, but 
> > > misunderstood the process.
> > >
> > > I have prevailed after being sued for defamation twice, 
> but it cost 
> > > tens of thousands of dollars just to get a judge to toss 
> me out of 
> > > the case.
> > >
> > > Cberlet
> > >
> > >
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