Ich weiß, dass das nicht böse gemeint war. Aber trotzdem danke dafür!<br><br>Philipp<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">2006/6/15, Michael Frey &lt;<a href="mailto:Michael.Frey@gmx.ch">Michael.Frey@gmx.ch</a>&gt;:</span>
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Philipp Schreiber schrieb:
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ich kenne Jimmy Wales nicht?<br>
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Philipp<br>
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  <div><span class="gmail_quote">2006/6/14, Michael Frey &lt;<a href="mailto:Michael.Frey@gmx.ch" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">Michael.Frey@gmx.ch
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              <pre>der<br>Mailingliste könnten wir ja dann die Kontonummer angeben!<br>Ich werde jetzt den Buchkatalog anfangen!<br><br>Philipp<br><br>PS: Ich bin man!<br><br>Am 13.06.06 schrieb <a href="mailto:John-N@gmx.de" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">

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                  <pre>noch<br>geklärt werden.<br>Gruss<br>hjn<br><br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: &quot;Philipp Schreiber&quot; <a href="mailto:schreiber.philipp@googlemail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">

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                  <pre>ansprechende Art und Weise zusammengefasst werden. Beispiel:<br><br><br>[[Cover]]<br><br>Name des Buches: Computerhardware für Anfänger<br><br>Kurzzusammenfassung: In dem Buch wird Laien auf eine sehr gute
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                  <pre>einzelnen Bauteile haben.<br><br>Zielgruppe: Leute, die ihren Computer regelmäßig benutzen,<br>                </pre>
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                  <pre>packen!<br><br>Philipp<br><br><br>Am 12.06.06 schrieb H-J-Niemann <a href="mailto:hjn@h-j-n.de" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">&lt;hjn@h-j-n.de&gt;</a>:<br>                
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                    <pre>ganzen Projektes ist: Lehrbücher.<br><br>Buch des Monats ist gut als PR-Massnahme.<br><br>Wenn wir mehr tun wollen als das, kann die Reihenfolge nur<br>                  </pre>
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                      <pre>-------- Original-Nachricht --------<br>Datum: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 12:26:59 +0200<br>Von: H-J-Niemann <a href="mailto:hjn@h-j-n.de" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">

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gute Frage bzw. Anregung. Wir wollen unsere Bücher nicht
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                      <pre>sondern<br>an den Leser, die Leserin bringen.<br>Ganz in Kürze, was wir m.M.n. tun müssen:<br><br>(1) Bücher fertig haben! Was sonst wollen wir anbieten?<br>                    </pre>
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                      <pre>(2) Die Liste der fertigen Bücher (&quot;fertig&quot; im WB-Sinne:<br>                    </pre>
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                      <pre>verwendbar) überprüfen, ob alle Bücher drin sind, die<br>                    </pre>
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                      <pre>haben<br>(bisher ca. 30 Bücher).<br>(3) Diese Bücher darin überprüfen, ob sie wirlich ohne<br>                    </pre>
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                      <pre>Lehrbücher angeboten werden können.<br>(4) Die Bücher überprüfen, ob sie unter einer<br>                    </pre>
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                      <pre>Versionsnummer<br>ausdruckbar sind.<br>(5) Auf unsere Hauptseite muss unser &quot;Bücherkatalog&quot;<br>                    </pre>
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                      <pre>sein.<br>(6) In dem Bücherkatalog sind alle fertigen Bücher mit<br>                    </pre>
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                      <pre>kurz<br>beschrieben. Es gibt Hinweise auf bereits vorliegende<br>                    </pre>
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                      <pre>&quot;Bücher<br>des Monats&quot; und &quot;empfehlenswerte Bücher sind<br>                    </pre>
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                      <pre>(7) Erst jetzt können die üblichen PR-Massnahmen<br>                    </pre>
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                      <pre>Herzl. Gruss<br>Hans-Joachim Niemann, bei WB: hjn.<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Wikibooksde-l mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Wikibooksde-l@wikimedia.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">

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                    <pre>Grüße, John<br>--<br><br><br>Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu<br>                  </pre>
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                <pre>frage ich die nicht. Aber vllt. finde ich Jimbo irgendwo.<br>--<br>Gruß, John<br><br>Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu<br>              </pre>
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    <pre>Jo, hab eine Mail an Jimbo geschickt. Grüße, John<br>  </pre>
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    <div>@Philipp Schreiber, bevor du fragst, wer Jimbo ist:<br>
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Ich bin gespannt, was aus den PR Massnahmen wird.<br>
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War nicht Böse gemeint, ich wollte einfach Rückfragen vermeiden.<br>
(mir ist der Name Jimbo, beziehungsweisse Jimmy Wales auch noch nicht
lange ein Begriff)<br>
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