<br><br>On Thursday, November 14, 2013, Arthur Richards wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Ok, Pivotal Tracker actually looks pretty slick. You don't get the same level of customization that you do with Mingle. AFAICT with about 20 mins of poking around (so I could be wrong about some of this), you cant create arbitrary card types, enforce arbitrary workflows, create and save custom views, generate arbitrary reports, create macros to do all kinds of crazy things like complex graph generation, create custom lanes on the wall, create different backlogs (eg release vs iteration), etc etc. However, maybe my account doesn't have sufficient permissions to modify some of these things and the flexibility is just hidden from me.</div>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>No, I made you an admin so you saw everything Arthur. </div><div><br></div><div>Pivotal definitely uses the structure of the application to enforce a simple Scrum workflow. Even Fulcrum, the FOSS clone community, is very strict about saying no to adding more customization to support alternative methodologies like Kanban. </div>
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<br></div><div>It looks to have a LOT of the simplicity you get with Trello, with basic enforcement of standard scrum-y tenants, basic reporting tools, and simple workflow management - I think this would probably work well for most, but some may find it too limiting. Then again, maybe the limitations are a good thing - it's easy to get carried away in Mingle once you get over the steep learning curve of managing a project there. Plus, there is no mobile app for Mingle which drives me insane, and not just because I'm on the mobile team... I took a quick spin with 'turning point' - one of the few pivotal tracker apps in the android play store. Seems pretty straightforward and like you can do a lot of what you can in the webapp.</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes the official Pivotal app is pretty decent as well. </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">
<div><br></div><div>The API looks robust; but the devil is always in the details - APIs in practice are usually different beasts than their documentation may lead you to believe. With a quick glance though the docs, it looks like we would be able to make tools like bingle and gingle to use the Pivotal API.</div>
<div><br></div><div>From the feedback I've heard from Tomasz and the apps team, this might actually be a really good fit for their needs.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm really curious to hear from others who have Mingle experience - particularly to hear if Pivotal Tracker would be an acceptable replacement.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Swalling, I may have goobered a few things up on the Growth board in Pivotal - I hope it really is experimental and I didn't screw things up for you guys :p </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>
<div>No worries. The team has not switched to Pivotal Tracker yet, I just duplicated the core of our engineering stories from the current sprint as a test. <span></span></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Arthur Richards <span dir="ltr"><<a href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'arichards@wikimedia.org');" target="_blank">arichards@wikimedia.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Steven Walling <span dir="ltr"><<a href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'swalling@wikimedia.org');" target="_blank">swalling@wikimedia.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div><br></div>This brings up a big issue with both FOSS and proprietary tools: how do we get our data out and migrate it if necessary?</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Trello exports a board in JSON, and Pivotal will import/export CSV. Does Mingle have data export functions?</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Yes. Mingle only exports a full project in a proprietary serialized format, but you can also selectively export cards into a CSV. I haven't tried it, but theoretically you should be able to create a query that returns ALL cards that you have and export them into a CSV. Mingle can import from the serialized format or from arbitrary CSV.</div>
<div> </div></div><div>-- <br>Arthur Richards<div>Software Engineer, Mobile</div><div>[[User:Awjrichards]]</div><div>IRC: awjr</div><div><a href="tel:%2B1-415-839-6885%20x6687" value="+14158396885" target="_blank">+1-415-839-6885 x6687</a></div>
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</blockquote><br><br>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Steven Walling,</div><div>Product Manager</div><div><a href="https://wikimediafoundation.org/" target="_blank">https://wikimediafoundation.org/</a></div></div></div>
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