[teampractices] A tool for keeping action items accountable?

[Max Binder]

Thanks for clarifying your visceral fear. :)

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Bryan Davis <bd808 at wikimedia.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 6:07 PM, Max Binder <mbinder at wikimedia.org> wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 5:02 PM, Bryan Davis <bd808 at wikimedia.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Max Binder <mbinder at wikimedia.org>
> wrote:
> >> > Someone suggested Trello, since it is lightweight and connects with
> >> > automation tools like IFTTT. There is concern about using another
> >> > Phab-like
> >> > tool, that isn't Phab, at the same time as Phab.
> >>
> >> Please, please, please don't bring back use of the Trello zombie. I
> >> also don't understand at all how Trello is more "light weight" than
> >> Phab.
> >
> > Yea, I think some folks simply prefer one tool to another based on
> personal
> > comfort. I don't necessarily have a problem with folks using outside
> tools
> > if it makes them more productive, so long as it doesn't
> >
> > alienate the team
> > alienate the volunteers
> > cause confusion by having multiple sources of truth (especially across
> > tools)
> >
> > Ultimately, the problem I initially posed is probably best solved by
> > personal accountability. If you like post-its on your wall, great.
> Notepad
> > you can cross out? Sure! Trello board for personal tasks? Have at it. The
> > issue that remains, however, is other folks seeing those to-dos...
>
> For personal todo lists I agree that people should use whatever works
> for them. My (probably uncalled for) anti-Trello outburst was based on
> the assumption that you were looking for a standard tool and workflow
> for a WMF team or teams. We picked Phabricator to replace Bugzilla at
> least in part on the promise that it was a more flexible tool that
> could replace the ever growing proliferation of task tracking systems
> that the Foundation was acreeting as each team made personal choices
> on how to manage their work. This caused a lot of pain for anyone who
> worked on multiple teams or was just trying to keep track of issues
> that crossed from team to team.
>
> A team using Trello to track retrospective commitments is probably no
> worse than the current state I would expect of them being bullet
> points in a google doc somewhere. My visceral fear is that it would be
> a gateway drug for some teams however to slide back into tracking real
> projects outside of Phabricator.
>
> Bryan
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> Bryan Davis              Wikimedia Foundation    <bd808 at wikimedia.org>
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