<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial">On 19 August 2014 11:19, S Page </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial"><<a href="mailto:spage@wikimedia.org" target="_blank">spage@wikimedia.org</a>></span><span style="font-family:arial"> wrote:</span><br>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div class=""><br>On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Maryana Pinchuk <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mpinchuk@wikimedia.org" target="_blank">mpinchuk@wikimedia.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote"><div class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>and Design/UX for running remote and in-person user tests<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><div><br>That seems crazy. Beta labs constantly updates with the latest merged changes to core and dozens of extensions, I think 288 times a day. Any commit could break it, and they regularly do! Beta labs is there to test to find breaking changes before they go live, not for user testing.<br>
</div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I disagree. It's generally a reliable platform from which to user-test master; it's rare for code to get merged into master that breaks anything, let alone breaks the whole cluster. Frankly, when I'm using Beta Labs to quickly UX-test master of VisualEditor, I don't care if (say) OracleDB support is broken, or uploading doesn't work right now. I can only recall a handful of occasions in the past year that VisualEditor master has been broken by something else for more than a few seconds.</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>Maybe we should document better how to set up a reasonably performant labs instance with a decent set of wiki pages, templates, images, etc. Then UX can spin up <a href="http://ux-wikimania.wmflabs.org" target="_blank">ux-wikimania.wmflabs.org</a> and be isolated from the firehose of changes.<br>
</div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">For the love of all that is good in the world, can we <i>please</i> not create yet another fork-wiki in Labs that someone needs to waste cycles updating and no-one trusts to be up-to-date because they never are?</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">J.</div></div></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr">James D. Forrester<br>
Product Manager, Editing<br>Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.<br><br><a href="mailto:jforrester@wikimedia.org" target="_blank">jforrester@wikimedia.org</a> | @jdforrester</div>
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