<div dir="ltr">Hi Chris,<div><br></div><div>I have one more question. If I want to run ULS automated tests on my laptop, what should the environment be?What should be installed?</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Renuka<br>
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Hi Chris,<br>
<br>
Sorry for a late reply..I have been unsuccessfully trying to install<br>
Cygwin,Ruby, Cucumber on my system, still not done with it.<br>
The scenario I had mentioned was closer to bug 52571. I executed my steps<br>
and a couple of bugs multiple times, and now I am unable to reproduce what<br>
I had mentioned in my previous email :(<br>
<br>
Here is another scenario:<br>
<br>
1) Click cog<br>
2)Click Display<br>
3)Change font ( say, from SystemFont to OpenDyslexic)<br>
Observed and Expected: Both the UI and Content font changes to OpenDyslexic<br>
4)Click Input<br>
5)Click Cancel<br>
Observed and Expected: Both the UI and Content font reverts to SystemFont<br>
as we cancelled our selection<br>
6)Click cog<br>
7)Click Display<br>
8)Change font( say, from SystemFont to OpenDyslexic)<br>
Observed and Expected: Both the UI and Content font changes to OpenDyslexic<br>
9)Click Input<br>
10) Now, I want to click ApplySettings. But this button is disabled here,<br>
whereas the Cancel button is enabled(as we saw in the previous steps). If<br>
the Cancel button is enabled, why should the ApplySettings button be<br>
disabled even though the selection is changed by the user.<br>
<br>
I would like to contribute by writing feature files but want to learn<br>
cucumber a bit and then begin..<br>
Meanwhile, if I notice a observation/bug in ULS, is it okay if I enter it<br>
in bugzilla after checking that its not a duplicate?<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Renuka<br>
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> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 14:21:48 +0200<br>
> From: Antoine Musso <<a href="mailto:hashar%2Bwmf@free.fr">hashar+wmf@free.fr</a>><br>
> To: <a href="mailto:qa@lists.wikimedia.org">qa@lists.wikimedia.org</a><br>
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> Le 30/08/13 22:12, Ryan Lane a écrit :<br>
> > Not sure if anyone has seen this, but the openstack folks have wrote a<br>
> > job builder for jenkins that lets you use YAML as the config files:<br>
> ><br>
> > <<a href="http://techs.enovance.com/6006/manage-jenkins-jobs-with-yaml" target="_blank">http://techs.enovance.com/6006/manage-jenkins-jobs-with-yaml</a>><br>
> ><br>
> > <<a href="https://github.com/openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder" target="_blank">https://github.com/openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder</a>><br>
><br>
> And we have been using it :-]<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://github.com/wikimedia/integration-jenkins-job-builder-config" target="_blank">https://github.com/wikimedia/integration-jenkins-job-builder-config</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> The plan is to integrate there the Selenium jobs and have them triggered<br>
> whenever someone submit a patchset. Well, at least for the jobs which<br>
> are fast to run.<br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Antoine "hashar" Musso<br>
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> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 20:52:19 -0500<br>
> From: Renuka Alurkar <<a href="mailto:renukaalurkar@gmail.com">renukaalurkar@gmail.com</a>><br>
> To: <a href="mailto:qa@lists.wikimedia.org">qa@lists.wikimedia.org</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [QA] QA Digest, Vol 4, Issue 27- ULS testcases<br>
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> Hi Chris,<br>
><br>
> I did not go through all the test cases of Cirrus search. I went through<br>
> the test cases for ULS both to understand how ULS works and to understand<br>
> the feature files in cucumber. The testcases are easy to read and<br>
> understand.<br>
><br>
> - I felt that the test cases could have more uniformity (if I have<br>
> understood them correctly, that is). For instance, in<br>
> uls_settings_panel.feature, we have the "input panel of language<br>
> settings"<br>
> and in uls_ime.feature, we have a "input box"..I think we are referring<br>
> to<br>
> the same thing here.<br>
> - What is the interface language and what is the content language and<br>
> how are these preferences set?<br>
> - I executed the persistent_settings.feature manually. I did not<br>
> understand the Background so I did not set these preferences. Just went<br>
> ahead with the scenario. This scenario passes.But, when the font is<br>
> changed<br>
> to OpenDyslexic, then apply settings. Font changes to OpenDyslexic.Now,<br>
> I<br>
> change it back to System Font and apply settings, but it still remains<br>
> OpenDyslexic instead of reverting to System Font (unless I log out and<br>
> log<br>
> back in).Is this expected behavior?<br>
><br>
> Haven't concentrated on VisualEditor and not at all on Flow..but I will<br>
> try/read about them. Instead of ULS, if I should focus on Cirrus search or<br>
> Visual Editor, let me know.<br>
><br>
> -Renuka<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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> > Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 07:29:23 -0700<br>
> > From: Chris McMahon <<a href="mailto:christopher.mcmahon@gmail.com">christopher.mcmahon@gmail.com</a>><br>
> > To: "QA (software quality assurance) for Wikimedia projects."<br>
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> > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Renuka Alurkar <<a href="mailto:renukaalurkar@gmail.com">renukaalurkar@gmail.com</a><br>
> > >wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > > Hi,<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Zeljko, Thank you for approving my email.<br>
> > > Chris, Quilm Thank you for sending me other helpful links. I read about<br>
> > > manual features testing, browser testing using cucumber, and about saw<br>
> > the<br>
> > > video about the new tool article-feedback. I find both browser testing<br>
> > and<br>
> > > article feedback interesting. Well, I do not have any experience with<br>
> > > cucumber, but I would love to learn it through browser testing on<br>
> > > wikimedia. At the same time, I would like to test the article feedback<br>
> > tool<br>
> > > too.<br>
> > > I do not exactly remember how I came to know about how one could<br>
> > > contribute as a tester to wikipedia, but there is a possibility that I<br>
> > read<br>
> > > about it at<br>
> > > <a href="http://thesocialtester.co.uk/volunteering-a-good-way-to-learn-testing/" target="_blank">http://thesocialtester.co.uk/volunteering-a-good-way-to-learn-testing/</a><br>
> !!<br>
> > > Well, let me know how and when I can start!!!!!<br>
> > ><br>
> ><br>
> > Hi Renuka,<br>
> ><br>
> > Article Feedback is an interesting feature, but unfortunately you are a<br>
> bit<br>
> > late. AFT is no longer under active development and is only in use in<br>
> some<br>
> > limited circumstances.<br>
> ><br>
> > Since you've read up a lot about what we do, let me suggest a few areas<br>
> in<br>
> > which to concentrate:<br>
> ><br>
> > Our new search engine called "CirrusSearch" is available for testing<br>
> right<br>
> > now on <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org" target="_blank">https://www.mediawiki.org</a> and<br>
> > <a href="http://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/</a>.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Some general notes about testing it are available at<br>
> > <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/CirrusSearch" target="_blank">https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/CirrusSearch</a>, and some previous mentions<br>
> > here on the QA list are at<br>
> > <a href="http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/qa/2013-August/000354.html" target="_blank">http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/qa/2013-August/000354.html</a> and<br>
> > <a href="http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/qa/2013-August/000358.html" target="_blank">http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/qa/2013-August/000358.html</a>. The<br>
> > automated tests we have may or may not be passing right now. They may<br>
> not<br>
> > be too easy to read, but you can get an idea of what sort of thing we're<br>
> > testing for with them<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> <a href="https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-CirrusSearch/tree/master/tests/browser/features" target="_blank">https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-CirrusSearch/tree/master/tests/browser/features</a><br>
> > .<br>
> ><br>
> > We'd like to hear what you think about the test we have and the testing<br>
> we<br>
> > should have.<br>
> ><br>
> > The UniversalLanguageSelector (ULS) is a tool that allows users to<br>
> > manipulate the languages in which wikis appear. It is considered stable<br>
> > right now, but in the near future it will need to interact with our new<br>
> > VisualEditor. ULS is available in two ways: in the environment at<br>
> > <a href="http://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/</a> it is represented as a "cog" icon<br>
> > (looks like a wheel) in the left-side "Languages" panel. In the<br>
> > environment at <a href="http://test2.wikipedia.org/" target="_blank">http://test2.wikipedia.org/</a> it is available as a link in<br>
> > the<br>
> > upper-right corner of each wiki page, and also as a small typewriter icon<br>
> > in every input box such as Search. The automated tests we have for ULS<br>
> are<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> <a href="https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-UniversalLanguageSelector/tree/master/tests/browser/features" target="_blank">https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-UniversalLanguageSelector/tree/master/tests/browser/features</a><br>
> ><br>
> > VisualEditor is our new WYSIWYG editor under development. It is<br>
> available<br>
> > on every wiki, including in production on the English Wikipedia<br>
> > <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/</a>. (If you edit in production, do it on your<br>
> user<br>
> > page or your user talk page, don't pollute real articles). As Amir noted<br>
> > earlier, some attention to non-Latin scripts in VE would be useful, as<br>
> > would an investigation of how cursor movements and such are working.<br>
> Bugs<br>
> > in VE are very important right now. For now at least, the automated<br>
> tests<br>
> > we have for VE are at<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> <a href="https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-VisualEditor/tree/master/modules/ve-mw/test/browser/features" target="_blank">https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-VisualEditor/tree/master/modules/ve-mw/test/browser/features</a><br>
> ><br>
> > Finally, we are just beginning a big new feature called "Flow" that will<br>
> be<br>
> > a new messaging system for the wikis. It is early enough in development<br>
> > that Flow is not implemented anywhere yet, but you can read about it at<br>
> > <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Flow" target="_blank">https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Flow</a> and you can watch for when it<br>
> becomes<br>
> > available here: <a href="https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53061" target="_blank">https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53061</a><br>
> ><br>
> > -Chris<br>
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> > Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 11:51:13 -0400<br>
> > From: Sumana Harihareswara <<a href="mailto:sumanah@wikimedia.org">sumanah@wikimedia.org</a>><br>
> > To: <a href="mailto:qa@lists.wikimedia.org">qa@lists.wikimedia.org</a><br>
> > Subject: [QA] reminder: Tester's Guide to Software Development at WMF<br>
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> > "Tester's Guide to Software Development at WMF, circa June 2013"<br>
> > by Chris McMahon<br>
> ><br>
> > New folks might be interested in taking a look at this guide, in which<br>
> > Chris covers a few selected projects at WMF and talks about what they're<br>
> > up to. If that piques your interest and you'd like to know about other<br>
> > engineering projects at the Wikimedia Foundation, look at our most<br>
> > recent monthly engineering report:<br>
> > <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_engineering_report/2013/July" target="_blank">https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_engineering_report/2013/July</a><br>
> > --<br>
> > Sumana Harihareswara<br>
> > Engineering Community Manager<br>
> > Wikimedia Foundation<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > ------------------------------<br>
> ><br>
> > Message: 3<br>
> > Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 18:20:06 +0200<br>
> > From: Antoine Musso <<a href="mailto:hashar%2Bwmf@free.fr">hashar+wmf@free.fr</a>><br>
> > To: <a href="mailto:qa@lists.wikimedia.org">qa@lists.wikimedia.org</a><br>
> > Subject: Re: [QA] Jenkins cleanup<br>
> > Message-ID: <kvnsbe$kae$<a href="mailto:1@ger.gmane.org">1@ger.gmane.org</a>><br>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8<br>
> ><br>
> > Le 27/08/13 13:03, Željko Filipin a écrit :<br>
> > > This is actually a Big Thing. ULS is the third repository that has<br>
> > > Selenium tests. This is the complete list:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > <a href="https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-CirrusSearch" target="_blank">https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-CirrusSearch</a><br>
> > > <a href="https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-MobileFrontend" target="_blank">https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-MobileFrontend</a><br>
> > ><br>
> ><br>
> <a href="https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-UniversalLanguageSelector" target="_blank">https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-UniversalLanguageSelector</a><br>
> > ><br>
> > > The tests are in folder tests/browser or tests/acceptance.<br>
> ><br>
> > Next thing would be to have the Selenium tests run whenever someone send<br>
> > a change in Gerrit :-]<br>
> ><br>
> > We talked about it with Željko on IRC, we might want to sprint that soon<br>
> ><br>
> > --<br>
> > Antoine "hashar" Musso<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > ------------------------------<br>
> ><br>
> > Message: 4<br>
> > Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 09:21:17 -0700<br>
> > From: Chris McMahon <<a href="mailto:cmcmahon@wikimedia.org">cmcmahon@wikimedia.org</a>><br>
> > To: "QA (software quality assurance) for Wikimedia projects."<br>
> > <<a href="mailto:qa@lists.wikimedia.org">qa@lists.wikimedia.org</a>><br>
> > Subject: Re: [QA] Visual Editor test plan<br>
> > Message-ID:<br>
> > <<br>
> > <a href="mailto:CAJohBHTR68LvxBKOKZZ7c2p2SePw6E-_oCcojaKv4VHmTbLjjw@mail.gmail.com">CAJohBHTR68LvxBKOKZZ7c2p2SePw6E-_oCcojaKv4VHmTbLjjw@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>
> ><br>
> > On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 6:13 AM, Željko Filipin <<a href="mailto:zfilipin@wikimedia.org">zfilipin@wikimedia.org</a><br>
> > >wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Rachel Thomas <<a href="mailto:rachelqa99@gmail.com">rachelqa99@gmail.com</a><br>
> > >wrote:<br>
> > ><br>
> > >> I was wondering if there is also a standard place we should keep test<br>
> > >> plans. I'm not sure what is currently being done for test plans.<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Chris will probably know more, but I do not think we have a standard<br>
> > > place. Well, <a href="http://mediawiki.org" target="_blank">mediawiki.org</a> is probably the standard place, but that is<br>
> > > probably now what you were looking for. :)<br>
> > ><br>
> ><br>
> > I think it depends on the context. The test plans I have written in the<br>
> > past have had some relationship to the project being tested or to the<br>
> test<br>
> > event. Rachel's test plan for VE is I think appropriate for the OPW<br>
> > project. As long as it is findable and linkable on for example<br>
> > <a href="http://mediawiki.org" target="_blank">mediawiki.org</a>, it's all good.<br>
> > -Chris<br>
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> > Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 12:06:14 -0700<br>
> > From: James Forrester <<a href="mailto:jforrester@wikimedia.org">jforrester@wikimedia.org</a>><br>
> > To: "QA (software quality assurance) for Wikimedia projects."<br>
> > <<a href="mailto:qa@lists.wikimedia.org">qa@lists.wikimedia.org</a>><br>
> > Subject: Re: [QA] Jenkins cleanup<br>
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> > On 29 August 2013 06:52, Rachel Thomas <<a href="mailto:rachelqa99@gmail.com">rachelqa99@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > > James- I'm still working on some tests for Visual Editor now. I'm<br>
> > > currently testing the bullets, numbering, indents and outdents.<br>
> Maybe I<br>
> > > should try and coordinate with your team regarding what tests I have<br>
> done<br>
> > > already and what I should do next? I'm not sure what the plan is for<br>
> the<br>
> > > VE repo or the VE tests, but I think it would be worth discussing it<br>
> with<br>
> > > you, Chris and Zeljko, and perhaps members of your team, as I have seen<br>
> > > some conflicting information.<br>
> > ><br>
> ><br>
> > That'd be really great, yes. Right now our "pain areas" are reliably<br>
> > inserting and deleting text in paragraphs and lists, splitting them,<br>
> and<br>
> > copy-pasting them, in "complex" scripts (non-latin and non-Cyrillic,<br>
> > mostly). Some of this starts to touch on native- and ULS-based Input<br>
> Method<br>
> > Editors, which are terribly complex (and horrible to test), but getting a<br>
> > start would be great.<br>
> ><br>
> > J.<br>
> > --<br>
> > James D. Forrester<br>
> > Product Manager, VisualEditor<br>
> > Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.<br>
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> > From: Quim Gil <<a href="mailto:qgil@wikimedia.org">qgil@wikimedia.org</a>><br>
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> > Subject: [QA] Sep 18 workshop - Epic fail: figuring out Selenium test<br>
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