<div dir="ltr">I suggest the list of languages should be displayed according to the size/quality also<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 3:43 AM, Yuri Astrakhan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:yastrakhan@wikimedia.org" target="_blank">yastrakhan@wikimedia.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>There are a few things (IMO) that should be done to langlist ordering:<br></div><div><br></div><div>
* Group by alphabet</div><div>People who understand latin alphabet should get a list of all latin-using languages listed/sorted together. Cyrillic is a separate group, and so are various asian and middle-eastern languages. I have seen other sites do this (e.g. Google, but I can't quickly locate an example right now). Having all languages bunched up together make going through them extremely painful - one has to skip all the scripts not understood.</div>
<div><br></div><div>* Each wiki site has different ordering requirements - like Hebrew and Hungarian wikis want English as the first link, or 'nn' uses 'no','sv','da' before all others. See <a href="http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/pywikipedia/trunk/pywikipedia/families/wikipedia_family.py" target="_blank">pywiki</a> - <span style="white-space:pre-wrap">interwiki_putfirst</span></div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">* Lastly, but IMO - most importantly, we should honor user settings or browser settings. If my browser sends <b>Accept Language<span style="white-space:pre-wrap">: </span>en-US,en;q=0.8,ru;q=0.6</b>, it would be good to show english & russian at the top, followed by others.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">All this can (and should) be done in javascript, without affecting servers.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">And for historical reasons: <a href="https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2867" target="_blank">bug 2867</a>... i filed it in 2005, it has over 60 votes (highest count in bugzilla if i'm not mistaken)...</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">--Yuri</div></font></span><div><div class="h5"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Brion Vibber <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:brion@pobox.com" target="_blank">brion@pobox.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">I was traditionally in favor of keeping the full language list visible,<br>
but.... it's just too damn big in many cases and is hard to search through<br>
on any device. On touch devices it's difficult to pick a correct item from<br>
the list as all the links are adjacent (though if you zoom it's ok).<br>
<br>
Definitely we need something improved, and if we're going to improve it we<br>
need to do it for the default or we're failing to serve 99% of our<br>
readers...<br>
<br>
I'm not sure about the current demo; one thing that bugs me is that there's<br>
a very small tap/click target for getting the full language list call-out.<br>
Clicking on "Language" just hides/shows the short list, it doesn't do<br>
anything. Clicking the "settings" gear icon next to "Languages" brings up a<br>
call-out with language-related settings.... none of which help you get to<br>
another language version of the wiki.<br>
<br>
<br>
On the mobile site we've collapsed the whole thing to an "Other languages"<br>
section or button (depending on if you're in beta mode) at the bottom of<br>
the article, and this seems to have gotten good usability responses from<br>
mobile users.<br>
<div><div><br>
<br>
<br>
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 12:47 PM, David Gerard <<a href="mailto:dgerard@gmail.com" target="_blank">dgerard@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> On 18 April 2013 20:43, David Gerard <<a href="mailto:dgerard@gmail.com" target="_blank">dgerard@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> > On 18 April 2013 17:50, Pau Giner <<a href="mailto:pginer@wikimedia.org" target="_blank">pginer@wikimedia.org</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> >> Please let me know if you see any possible concern with this approach.<br>
><br>
> > My first thought is of how upset people were when the first version of<br>
> > Vector hid the language links by default. I would suggest being sure<br>
> > there will be little or no similar objection.<br>
><br>
><br>
> (hit send too soon, sorry)<br>
><br>
> A simple solution that would avoid a similar reaction is: do not do<br>
> this by default - make it only for logged-in users who want it that<br>
> way.<br>
><br>
> Possibly for default users, you could put the heuristically-calculated<br>
> likely preferred languages at the top. But keeping the rest of the<br>
> list below, right there on display, will (I predict) be favoured, as<br>
> advertising the many languages of Wikipedia is a strongly-held value<br>
> of many Wikimedians.<br>
><br>
><br>
> - d.<br>
><br>
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