<div class="gmail_quote"><div>Hoi,</div><div>There are two things I want to raise in this mail: MediaWiki namespaces and the new user interface of the CLDR. Both are extremely relevant because both influence the behaviour of the MediaWiki software. Both have a tendency to take a long time before the effect of changes become available. It is therefore important to us to give this proper attention and inform you about this.</div>
<div><br></div><div><b><font size="4">MediaWiki namespaces</font></b></div><div>the Wikimedia developers are transitioning to a different code repository system. They are changing from SVN to GIT. As one of the results a lot of things are getting reviewed. Included is a list of changes that will change the names of MediaWiki namespaces. As you may know changing namespaces is different from changing MediaWiki messages as it is a change in the configuration of the software. It is one of those things that is done with a lot of care.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The objective of pointing this out is two-fold. When one of the languages below is the language you champion, we do want you to verify it and let us know if this is what is agreed upon by your community. For some languages this may be problematic as they are working towards their first project. The second point is that you may want to have a look at the localisation of the namespaces. Possibly they need changing, possibly they still need to be done. Of relevance is that we do support gender for namespaces it is possible to indicate both male and female users.</div>
<a href="https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#patch,sidebyside,3318,1,/COMMIT_MSG" target="_blank"></a><div><br></div><a href="https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#patch,sidebyside,3318,1,languages/messages/MessagesFrp.php" target="_blank">languages/messages/MessagesFrp.php</a> - Franco-Provençal<div>
<a href="https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#patch,sidebyside,3318,1,languages/messages/MessagesIg.php" target="_blank">languages/messages/MessagesIg.php</a> - Igbo</div><div><a href="https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#patch,sidebyside,3318,1,languages/messages/MessagesMk.php" target="_blank">languages/messages/MessagesMk.php</a> - Macedonian</div>
<div><a href="https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#patch,sidebyside,3318,1,languages/messages/MessagesMzn.php" target="_blank">languages/messages/MessagesMzn.php</a> - Mazandarani</div><div><a href="https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#patch,sidebyside,3318,1,languages/messages/MessagesNds_nl.php" target="_blank">languages/messages/MessagesNds_nl.php</a> - </div>
<div><a href="https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#patch,sidebyside,3318,1,languages/messages/MessagesOr.php" target="_blank">languages/messages/MessagesOr.php</a> - Odia</div><div><a href="https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#patch,sidebyside,3318,1,languages/messages/MessagesOs.php" target="_blank">languages/messages/MessagesOs.php</a> - Ossetian</div>
<div><a href="https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#patch,sidebyside,3318,1,languages/messages/MessagesQug.php" target="_blank">languages/messages/MessagesQug.php</a> - Runa Shimi</div><div><a href="https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#patch,sidebyside,3318,1,languages/messages/MessagesSa.php" target="_blank">languages/messages/MessagesSa.php</a> - Sanskrit</div>
<div><a href="https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#patch,sidebyside,3318,1,languages/messages/MessagesSr_ec.php" target="_blank">languages/messages/MessagesSr_ec.php</a> - Serbian</div><div><a href="https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#patch,sidebyside,3318,1,languages/messages/MessagesWar.php" target="_blank">languages/messages/MessagesWar.php</a> - Waray Waray</div>
<div><a href="https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#patch,sidebyside,3318,1,languages/messages/MessagesYue.php" target="_blank">languages/messages/MessagesYue.php</a> - Yue</div><div><br></div><div>We are going to ask on the wikis for confirmation as well and we are looking for positive feedback by April 5th.</div>
<div> </div><div><b><font size="4">The CLDR user interface</font></b></div><div>The CLDR or the Common Locale Data Repository is where basic and not so basic information is gathered about languages in a standard. We use this information in the MediaWiki software and we rely on it. We do not like to override any values of this standard. Sometimes we have no choice when the CLDR does not have information on one of the languages we support. Once the CLDR does have data our local information is removed. </div>
<div><br></div><div>The CLDR works with periods where they welcome input from the world. <b>The next period starts on April 4</b>. </div><div><br></div><div>At this moment they are asking for comments on the improved user interface of their data collection software. They want to know and we want to know what you think of it. If it works for you, if you can find any bugs. This means that you can test-drive the application and learn to use it as well as find any issues with it. I have copied the invitation to the CLDR Survey Took Beta below.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Enjoy and let us know your experiences.</div><div>Thanks,</div><div> Gerard</div><div><br></div><div> *************************************************</div><div><br></div><div><br><u></u>
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<h2 dir="ltr" style="text-align:center;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><small><small><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-size:32px;font-family:'Arial Black'">Unicode
<span>CLDR</span> Survey Tool Beta</span></small></small><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-style:italic;font-size:11px;font-family:Arial"></span></h2>
<span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial">March 21, 2012 — The </span><a href="http://cldr.unicode.org/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(17,85,204);vertical-align:baseline">Unicode <span>CLDR</span></span></a><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial"> Survey Tool is open for beta testing
today. <span>CLDR</span> provides key building blocks for software to support
the world's languages, with the largest and most extensive
standard repository of locale data available. The survey tool is
an online tool used by organizations and individuals to contribute
data to this repository, and to vote on alternative contributions.</span><br>
<span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial"></span><br>
<span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial">The survey tool has undergone
substantial revision, with dramatic improvements in performance
and usability. We would appreciate people trying out the tool so
that we can identify any remaining problems before we start data
submission (currently scheduled for April 4). For more
information, see </span><a href="http://goo.gl/7M1IG" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(17,85,204);vertical-align:baseline">http://goo.gl/7M1IG</span></a><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial">.</span><br>
<hr><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial"></span><br>
<span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">Contents</span><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial"></span><br>
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-left:18pt;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><a href="https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=bsp&ver=ohhl4rw8mbn4#136392b30c40a172_136376a190c94084_Access" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(17,85,204);vertical-align:baseline">Access</span></a><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(17,85,204);text-decoration:underline;vertical-align:baseline"></span></p>
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-left:18pt;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><a href="https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=bsp&ver=ohhl4rw8mbn4#136392b30c40a172_136376a190c94084_Guide" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(17,85,204);vertical-align:baseline">Guide</span></a><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(17,85,204);text-decoration:underline;vertical-align:baseline"></span></p>
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-left:18pt;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><a href="https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=bsp&ver=ohhl4rw8mbn4#136392b30c40a172_136376a190c94084_How_you_can_help" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(17,85,204);vertical-align:baseline">How you can help</span></a><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(17,85,204);text-decoration:underline;vertical-align:baseline"></span></p>
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-left:18pt;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><a href="https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=bsp&ver=ohhl4rw8mbn4#136392b30c40a172_136376a190c94084_Known_issues" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(17,85,204);vertical-align:baseline">Known issues</span></a><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(17,85,204);text-decoration:underline;vertical-align:baseline"></span></p>
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-left:18pt;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><a href="https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=bsp&ver=ohhl4rw8mbn4#136392b30c40a172_136376a190c94084_What_changed" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(17,85,204);vertical-align:baseline">What changed?</span></a><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial"></span><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-size:19px;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold"></span></p>
<h1 dir="ltr"><a name="13649268e5e506ac_1364924ea341c1a7_136392b30c40a172_136376a190c94084_Access"></a><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-size:19px;font-family:Arial">Access</span></h1>
<ol style="margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt">
<li style="vertical-align:baseline;list-style-type:decimal;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial"><a href="http://st.unicode.org/cldr-apps/survey" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(17,85,204);font-weight:bold;vertical-align:baseline">Production Survey Tool</span></a><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-weight:bold">. </span><span style="vertical-align:baseline">If you have an existing
survey tool account, you can go to the production tool at </span><a href="http://st.unicode.org/cldr-apps/survey" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(17,85,204);vertical-align:baseline">Production
Survey Tool</span></a><span style="vertical-align:baseline">.</span></li>
<li style="vertical-align:baseline;list-style-type:decimal;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial"><a href="http://st.unicode.org/smoketest/createAndLogin.jsp?vap=isdithOif5" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(17,85,204);font-weight:bold;vertical-align:baseline">Smoke-Test Survey Tool</span></a><span style="vertical-align:baseline">. If you don’t have an
account, you can still try out the survey tool using the Smoke
Test version. It will create a test account automatically.</span></li>
</ol>
<span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial"></span><br>
<span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-style:italic;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial">So that you can try out the tool as you
wish, none of the data you enter during beta is saved.</span><br>
<span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-style:italic;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial"></span><br>
<span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial">The Smoke Test tool may be restarted at
any time, because it used for development. If you get disconnected
when this happens, then refresh your browser: all of your changes
should be saved.</span><br>
<h1 dir="ltr"><a name="13649268e5e506ac_1364924ea341c1a7_136392b30c40a172_136376a190c94084_Guide"></a><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-size:19px;font-family:Arial">Guide</span></h1>
<span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial">If you haven’t used the survey tool
before, you may want to take a quick look at:</span><br>
<span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial"></span>
<ol style="margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt">
<li style="vertical-align:baseline;list-style-type:decimal;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial"><a href="http://cldr.unicode.org/index/survey-tool/guide" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(17,85,204);vertical-align:baseline">http://<span>cldr</span>.unicode.org/index/survey-tool/guide</span></a><span style="vertical-align:baseline"> </span></li>
<li style="vertical-align:baseline;list-style-type:decimal;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial"><a href="http://cldr.unicode.org/index/survey-tool/walkthrough" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(17,85,204);vertical-align:baseline">http://<span>cldr</span>.unicode.org/index/survey-tool/walkthrough</span></a><span style="vertical-align:baseline"> </span></li>
</ol>
<span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-style:italic;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial"></span><br>
<span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial">This documentation should be updated in
the next few days for some of the changes in UI.</span><br>
<h1 dir="ltr"><a name="13649268e5e506ac_1364924ea341c1a7_136392b30c40a172_136376a190c94084_How_you_can_help"></a><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-size:19px;font-family:Arial">How you can help</span></h1>
<span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial">Visit and randomly vote and enter
changes.</span>
<ol style="margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt">
<li style="vertical-align:baseline;list-style-type:decimal;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial"><span style="vertical-align:baseline">Pick your favorite locale</span></li>
<li style="vertical-align:baseline;list-style-type:decimal;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial"><span style="vertical-align:baseline">Visit different Sections of
the locale (Code Lists, etc), and different pages in the
Section.</span></li>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt">
<li style="vertical-align:baseline;list-style-type:lower-alpha;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial"><span style="vertical-align:baseline">Vote
for different choices (including </span><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-weight:bold">Proposed, Others, Abstain</span><span style="vertical-align:baseline">)</span></li>
<li style="vertical-align:baseline;list-style-type:lower-alpha;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial"><span style="vertical-align:baseline">Change
a value (</span><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-weight:bold">Change</span><span style="vertical-align:baseline"> column)</span></li>
<li style="vertical-align:baseline;list-style-type:lower-alpha;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial"><span style="vertical-align:baseline">Try
zooming on different columns (clicking on the following
cells)</span></li>
<ol style="margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt">
<li style="vertical-align:baseline;list-style-type:lower-roman;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-weight:bold">St</span><span style="vertical-align:baseline"> (status, eg error/alert)</span></li>
<li style="vertical-align:baseline;list-style-type:lower-roman;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-weight:bold">Draft
</span><span style="vertical-align:baseline">(the
approval status)</span></li>
<li style="vertical-align:baseline;list-style-type:lower-roman;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-weight:bold">Voted</span><span style="vertical-align:baseline"> (the voting status)</span></li>
<li style="vertical-align:baseline;list-style-type:lower-roman;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-weight:bold">Proposed
/ Others </span><span style="vertical-align:baseline">(particular values)</span></li>
<li style="vertical-align:baseline;list-style-type:lower-roman;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial"><span style="vertical-align:baseline">(Clicking
on </span><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-weight:bold">Code</span><span style="vertical-align:baseline"> shows some internals,
not really user-focused item)</span></li>
</ol>
<li style="vertical-align:baseline;list-style-type:lower-alpha;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial"><span style="vertical-align:baseline">Reset
your </span><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-weight:bold">Coverage
Level </span><span style="vertical-align:baseline">(at
the top). (This changes how many items show).</span></li>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt" start="3">
<li style="vertical-align:baseline;list-style-type:decimal;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial"><span style="vertical-align:baseline">Verify that data was
accepted, or is rejected (appropriately) because of an error.</span></li>
<li style="vertical-align:baseline;list-style-type:decimal;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial"><span style="vertical-align:baseline">Periodically, refresh the
entire page you are on and verify that items previously added
remain visible.</span></li>
<li style="vertical-align:baseline;list-style-type:decimal;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial"><span style="vertical-align:baseline">Report any new issues at </span><a href="http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/newticket" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(17,85,204);vertical-align:baseline">http://unicode.org/<span>cldr</span>/trac/newticket</span></a><span style="vertical-align:baseline">. (Skip those below). Please
include the URL to the page where you found the error.</span><span style="color:rgb(153,153,153);vertical-align:baseline"></span></li>
</ol>
<h1 dir="ltr"><a name="13649268e5e506ac_1364924ea341c1a7_136392b30c40a172_136376a190c94084_Known_issues"></a><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-size:19px;font-family:Arial">Known issues</span></h1>
<span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-style:italic;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial">Please read these over so you know what
to skip:</span><br>
<span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-style:italic;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial"></span>
<ol style="margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt">
<li style="vertical-align:baseline;list-style-type:decimal;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial"><span style="vertical-align:baseline">Use FireFox/Safari/Chrome,
not IE 8 or other browsers.</span></li>
<li style="vertical-align:baseline;list-style-type:decimal;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial"><span style="vertical-align:baseline">Some locales, such as English
(en), are read-only.</span></li>
<li style="vertical-align:baseline;list-style-type:decimal;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial"><span style="vertical-align:baseline">Do not post comments in the
‘forums’ or try “Show Coverage”</span></li>
<li style="vertical-align:baseline;list-style-type:decimal;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial"><span style="vertical-align:baseline">Some generated examples use
English instead of the local language, or the wrong currency.</span></li>
<li style="vertical-align:baseline;list-style-type:decimal;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial"><span style="vertical-align:baseline">The information in the “Code”
column will be simplified during the beta process; some rows
will move to different sections or pages.</span></li>
<li style="vertical-align:baseline;list-style-type:decimal;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial"><span style="vertical-align:baseline">There will be a bookmark on
each row, for reference.</span></li>
<li style="vertical-align:baseline;list-style-type:decimal;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial"><span style="vertical-align:baseline">Other items may be added to
this list during the beta period</span></li>
</ol>
<h1 dir="ltr"><a name="13649268e5e506ac_1364924ea341c1a7_136392b30c40a172_136376a190c94084_What_changed"></a><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-size:19px;font-family:Arial">What changed?</span></h1>
<ol style="margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt">
<li style="vertical-align:baseline;list-style-type:decimal;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial"><span style="vertical-align:baseline">Page access is 10-30 times
faster, depending on the operation.</span></li>
<li style="vertical-align:baseline;list-style-type:decimal;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial"><span style="vertical-align:baseline">Items are submitted
individually (with Return/Enter), instead of having to submit
a whole page.</span></li>
<li style="vertical-align:baseline;list-style-type:decimal;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial"><span style="vertical-align:baseline">Pages are not broken up into
multiple subpages, simplifying navigation.</span></li>
<li style="vertical-align:baseline;list-style-type:decimal;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial"><span style="vertical-align:baseline">Errors and Warnings appear
when you submit an item.</span></li>
<li style="vertical-align:baseline;list-style-type:decimal;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial"><span style="vertical-align:baseline">There is no “zoom” window;
instead, zooming is in-place, with separate versions depending
on what part of a row you click on. </span></li>
</ol>
<span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial"></span><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial"></span><br></div></div>
</div><br>