[Labs-l] List of packages that are supported by tool labs

[Petr Bena]

* never stop coming

On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Petr Bena <benapetr at gmail.com> wrote:
> If we don't make such a list, we will end up having multiple tickets,
> that will never start coming with requests to install same packages
>
> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Petr Bena <benapetr at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I am not talking about "list of installed packages" I am talking about
>> "list of packages that were already requested by other users, are in
>> puppet and guaranteed to be present, so that you don't need to bother
>> us with requesting them again, because they were already requested and
>> are installed"
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 4:35 PM, Marc A. Pelletier <marc at uberbox.org> wrote:
>>> On 11/07/2013 10:26 AM, Petr Bena wrote:
>>>> From what Tim said, it seems that I should fill in a bug report for
>>>> every single package no matter if it's already in puppet or not,
>>>> because there is clearly no simple way for me to verify that.
>>>
>>> Yes, you should, because otherwise you're relying on implicit
>>> dependencies, which is iffy at best.  If you have a tool that needs
>>> libfoo-perl, then you need to make sure libfoo-perl is puppetized and
>>> not rely on the fact that foobar-tools happens to have it as a
>>> dependency and it got installed as a consequence.
>>>
>>> OTOH, never request installation of dependencies of things you depend
>>> on; rely on apt to work those out itself.
>>>
>>> In other words, if your tool invokes 'gizmo' from the package 'gizmo',
>>> list *that* as a dependency, and not the 'libgizmo' it depends on in
>>> turn - you never know when gizmo will switch to libwidget instead.
>>>
>>> This is why making or comparing a "list of installed packages" is
>>> exactly the wrong way to go about things -- there might be things
>>> leftover on nodes from previous versions, or things that were installed
>>> but then never removed (changes in puppet, in general, do not purge
>>> packages no longer explicitly installed).
>>>
>>> -- Marc
>>>
>>>
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