<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Getting women to stick around...</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">I had a class of 25. About 20 women and 5 men. The women, especially Latina women, expressed much anxiety over various treatments--all over the map. Esp. comments and tone of talk pages.Lack of politeness and common courtesies.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Today, a year later, only 2 (of 20) women are editing, but the men have become engaged contributors. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Should we tell people at the outset that this is sort of an Outward Bound experience? Survival only of the thick skinned? I do believe this is too bad. As a teacher if I treated students the way Wikipedians treat new contributors, I would be sent for continuing education. Most people want to edit to contribute, not to be wrangled to the mat.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Too many women who begin to edit are made to feel belittled, stupid and small. This is crazy. So much talent and good will is nattered away.</div>
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--Kathleen.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<span style="font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:small">Kathleen de la Peña McCook</span><br style="font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style="font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:small">Distinguished University Professor of Librarianship</span><br style="font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:small">
<span style="font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:small">USF/SI: <a href="http://si.usf.edu/faculty/kmccook/">http://si.usf.edu/faculty/kmccook/</a></span><br style="font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:small">
<span style="font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:small">Academia.edu: <a href="https://usf.academia.edu/KathleendelaPe%C3%B1aMcCook">https://usf.academia.edu/KathleendelaPe%C3%B1aMcCook</a></span><br style="font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:small">
<span style="font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:small">Library Thing:: <a href="http://www.librarything.com/catalog/klmccook/allcollections">http://www.librarything.com/catalog/klmccook/allcollections</a></span><br>
</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 2:04 AM, Pine W <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wiki.pine@gmail.com" target="_blank">wiki.pine@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">Hi Keilana, </p>
<p dir="ltr">J-mo discussed similar thoughs in the presentation videos that I just sent to some of the other email lists. Perhaps you could brainstorm ideas with him and other interested people at Wikimania?</p>
<p dir="ltr">Pine</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Aug 1, 2014 10:37 PM, "Keilana" <<a href="mailto:keilanawiki@gmail.com" target="_blank">keilanawiki@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">To briefly go back to what Sarah and Marie have said, I do find that in person hand-holding and social support are the most effective factors in getting women to stick around. I don't know how to translate that from the real-world environment I teach newbies in to the virtual environment of new users' talk pages. I'd love to brainstorm something in that vein, though. :)<div>
<br></div><div>-Emily</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:40 PM, A. Mani <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:a.mani.cms@gmail.com" target="_blank">a.mani.cms@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 7:10 PM, Carol Moore dc<br>
<<a href="mailto:carolmooredc@verizon.net" target="_blank">carolmooredc@verizon.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> Then I looked at this political poster image<br>
> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Courageous_Cunts.jpg" target="_blank">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Courageous_Cunts.jpg</a><br>
> which leads to this site <a href="http://courageouscunts.com/" target="_blank">http://courageouscunts.com/</a><br>
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</div>I think nobody has bothered to write much on the movement.<br>
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<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courageous_Cunts" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courageous_Cunts</a><br>
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labia_pride_movement" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labia_pride_movement</a><br>
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Labia_Project" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Labia_Project</a> has no content<br>
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Contrast that with the content on this site: <a href="http://largelabiaproject.org" target="_blank">http://largelabiaproject.org</a><br>
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Best<br>
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