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Actually, Sarah's post is quite useful to me. On en.wiki, people are
constantly asking why they should care about the gender gap, as they
don't see how it relates to improving the encyclopedia. Being able
to point out examples like...<br>
* We have an article on barbers, but none for hairdressers<br>
* We have an article on male pimps, but not for madams<br>
...makes it concrete how our systemic bias hurts the quality of the
encyclopedia. Personally, I would love to hear about the systemic
bias issues on wikis besides en.wiki, and would encourage people to
post examples. These examples not only provide good opportunities
for women to contribute, but help to convince people that there is a
problem worth addressing. Of course, this should not be the sole
purpose of the list, but I think it is useful (and interesting) to
discuss.<br>
<br>
Ryan Kaldari<br>
<br>
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On 12/25/11 11:56 AM, Béria Lima wrote:
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class="gmail_quote"> <i>I'm looking forward to hearing what
Caroline would like to discuss, or Beria.</i><br>
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<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Well Peter, when I come
here (the day the list was created) the idea was to create a
list to discuss HOW TO REDUCE GENDER GAP (in caps to make it
more clear), that was the propose and that was the one I
accepted. <br>
<br>
So far, I saw lots of discussions about en.wiki articles and
images, and very little about the main objective of this list.
I'm asking too much that we actually start discuss what we came
here to discuss? I don't think so.<br clear="all">
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<font style="font-family: georgia,serif;" size="2"><i>Béria Lima</i></font><br>
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target="_blank">Wikimedia Portugal</a><br>
(351) 963 953 042<br>
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<i style="color: rgb(153, 153, 153);">Imagine um mundo onde é dada
a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao
somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos"
target="_blank"><font color="#333333">Ajude-nos a construir
esse sonho.</font></a></i><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 25 December 2011 19:41, Pete Forsyth <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:peteforsyth@gmail.com">peteforsyth@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<p>Agreed. On Christmas (or any other day), I am thankful this
list helps move things forward in a variety of ways, for a
variety of different people. I'm looking forward to hearing
what Caroline would like to discuss, or Beria. But glad to
know your thoughts on "pimp" and "madam" sarah, and to see a
suggested path to improving wikipedia content. I do enjoy
that stuff the most. Collabotative encyclopedia writing is
fucking awesome, and I love how everybody goes about it a
little differently.</p>
<p>Pete</p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Dec 25, 2011 11:25 AM, "Ole
Palnatoke Andersen" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:palnatoke@gmail.com" target="_blank">palnatoke@gmail.com</a>>
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On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 7:41 PM, Sarah Stierch <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sarah.stierch@gmail.com"
target="_blank">sarah.stierch@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
...<br>
> It's a shame that my posts have been so
bothersome for the list, I never<br>
> knew that I was only making things worse, or not
helping at all.<br>
<br>
I, for one, do not find your posts bothersome.<br>
I find no problem with having one gender-neutral
article for barbers<br>
and hairdressers or for pimps and madams, but I do
find it better to<br>
have *two* good articles on the respective subjects.<br>
<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Ole<br>
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