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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Hi Lennart,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>On 22 December 2011 Lennart <A
title=l_guldbrandsson@hotmail.com href="">Lennart Guldbrandsson</A>
wrote:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>"..."Find the lady"?"</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>If you had placed an exclamation mark after the word
'lady', rather than a question over the whole sentence, I would have got the
joke about 'lady'. In the absence of an intended irony with the use of the word
'lady' I'll take it you really mean 'lady'. Therefore I'd like to let you
know that the women's movement (historically - first, second and third waves)
have fought against honorific titles such as 'lady' to describe and understand
'what women want'. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>At the very least the term 'lady' is not
meaningful across cultural lines north, south, east, or west of our world.
European tradition, particularly English, is where it is the most
meaningful in the most constricting and negative of senses where it has been
used against females - girls (children) and women - in that
rather than a nation socially growing it's female population in all facets of
life's energy and creativity, females has been kept down over the centuries
and one of the ways of penetrating the female psyche to reinforce the
necessity of this down trodden existence is to remind a female that she much be
a 'lady' and ladies don't do this and that, but must do this and that, all
decided by a masculine controlled society and reinforced over the
years by compliant females being taught to support this social
construct.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>So Lennart, women and girls want to decide the simple and
the enormity of their lives. A great number of females whose consciousness has
been raised and so recognise the existing inequalities over all
societies will not want to be named 'ladies' in discussions about what women
want.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Here's a simple dilemma right now - for the programmers.
Why do the drop down windows on many sign up sights have in the window 'male'
and if you are a female you have to click on the down button and select
'female'. This question is not trite by any means. It goes to the heart of how
our female and male programmers construct and think about what they are
implementing. My question is: Do female programmers use this same format? Has
any female programmer been bold enough to reverse the order? Let
the 'female' word be in the static window, and let the males have to
click the drop down to select their gender.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Anne Frazer</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Wikimedia Australia</FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:41
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Gendergap] I'm not sure
which is more depressing</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Maybe a campaign, based on the phrase "Find the lady"?<BR><BR><A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Find_the_Lady">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Find_the_Lady</A><BR><BR><BR>Best
wishes,<BR><BR>Lennart<BR><BR><BR><BR>Lennart Guldbrandsson, <BR>Tfn: 031 - 12
50 48 Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05<BR>Epost: <A
href="mailto:l_guldbrandsson@hotmail.com">l_guldbrandsson@hotmail.com</A> / <A
href="mailto:lennart@wikimedia.se">lennart@wikimedia.se</A><BR>Användarsida:
<A
href="http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal">http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal</A><BR>Blogg:
<A
href="http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/">http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/</A><BR>Wikimedia
Sverige http://wikimedia.se<SMALL><BR></SMALL>http://www.1av3.se<BR><BR><BR>
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From: l_guldbrandsson@hotmail.com<BR>To:
gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org<BR>Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 17:38:24
+0000<BR>Subject: Re: [Gendergap] I'm not sure which is more
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<DIV dir=ltr>Yes, that is a good idea.<BR><BR>Here are plenty of pics to
choose
from:<BR><BR>http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_meetups<BR><BR>Best
wishes,<BR><BR>Lennart<BR><BR><BR><BR>Lennart Guldbrandsson, <BR>Tfn: 031 - 12
50 48 Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05<BR>Epost: l_guldbrandsson@hotmail.com /
lennart@wikimedia.se<BR>Användarsida:
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal<BR>Blogg:
http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/<BR>Wikimedia Sverige
http://wikimedia.se<SMALL><BR></SMALL>http://www.1av3.se<BR><BR><BR>
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<DIV id=ecxSkyDrivePlaceholder></DIV>> From: erik@wikimedia.org<BR>>
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 09:33:40 -0800<BR>> To:
gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org<BR>> Subject: Re: [Gendergap] I'm not sure
which is more depressing<BR>> <BR>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:31 AM,
Lennart Guldbrandsson<BR>> <l_guldbrandsson@hotmail.com>
wrote:<BR>> > Perhaps the solution is to create a gendergap template,
instead of having to<BR>> > bring up the same points over and
over.<BR>> <BR>> I think we should have a re-usable collage of all the
photos of<BR>> meetups attended (almost) exclusively by male Wikipedians.
with the<BR>> caption "Notice anything missing?". Sometimes pictures are
more<BR>> persuasive than text.<BR>> <BR>> -- <BR>> Erik
Möller<BR>> VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia
Foundation<BR>> <BR>> Support Free Knowledge:
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