Wow. <br><br>Just...wow. <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Ryan Kaldari <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rkaldari@wikimedia.org">rkaldari@wikimedia.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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If you really want some entertainment, you should try reading the
"dating" article. It includes such mind-blowing revelations as:<br>
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* Teenagers and tweens have been described as dating.<br>
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* There are reports that guys are asking out girls for dates by text
messaging.<br>
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* When young people are in school, they have a lot of access to
people their own age, and don't need tools such as online websites
or dating services.<br>
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And of course lots of great gender stereotypes like:<br>
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* During much of human history... women "connived to trade beauty
and sex for affluence and status".<br>
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* Educated women in many countries including Italy and Russia and
the United States often find it difficult to have a career as well
as raise a family; many delay finding a mate and having children and
wonder if they're too accomplished that they won't be as appealing
to men.<br>
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It also includes lots of random advice like:<br>
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* dating at a movie is advisable only if followed by a drink
afterwards.<br>
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* men are attracted to 'curls', 'ribbons', 'bright colors', and
women should 'avoid sarcasm.'<br>
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* Women can use 'pseudo-infantile motions such as the head-cock' and
gaze intensely with widened eyes and laugh often, touch, and move in
ways to emphasize their body's roundness, such as shrugging their
shoulders or sit hugging their knees, to mimic buttock imagery.<br>
<br>
I swear this stuff is in the article. I couldn't make this up!<br>
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And to illustrate the "Dating worldwide" section, they use the
painting "The Rape Of The Sabines: The Abduction" which shows a guy
with a sword carrying off a scantily clad damsel in distress. I
guess our editors have some unique ideas on dating etiquette.<br>
<br>
Ryan Kaldari<br>
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On 10/24/11 6:00 PM, Gillian White wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">Apart from any content problems, the article had no
context. It was not linked to what should be regarded as its
parents. And that lack of coherence, combined with its specific
terminology made it largely incomprehensible to people unfamiliar
with American educational systems, aside from its social
practices. For example, it is by no means universal that students
live in residential colleges while attending university. I had a
go at giving it some context so readers can go from one article to
the next (specifically, from "courtship" to "dating" to "college
dating") but I agree that it would be better if it was renamed, as
the issues that are distinctive to dating in college/university
could then be developed. <br>
<br>
Gillian<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 25 October 2011 06:11, Sue Gardner <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sgardner@wikimedia.org" target="_blank">sgardner@wikimedia.org</a>></span>
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Yeah, personally I think the subject is notable. There has
been tons<br>
of academic research and popular history written about the
history of<br>
dating, college dating, the invention of the 'teenager,' etc.
Even<br>
just within the United States.<br>
<br>
I think I did a radio series on this once -- IIRC, Beth Bailey
was a<br>
really great source. She wrote this fascinating book:<br>
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Front-Porch-Back-Seat-Twentieth-Century/dp/0801839351" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/Front-Porch-Back-Seat-Twentieth-Century/dp/0801839351</a>.<br>
Susan J. Douglas was good too, as well as Stephanie Coontz and
Barbara<br>
Ehrenreich. They are all American, though. Lots has been
written about<br>
the UK too, but I'm not sure about other cultures/countries.<br>
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Thanks,<br>
Sue<br>
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On 24 October 2011 11:16, Daniel and Elizabeth Case<br>
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> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: Nathan<br>
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:13 PM<br>
> To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia
projects<br>
> Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Am I crazy?<br>
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> I question whether "college dating" deserves an
article to begin with.<br>
> If it does, which the text of the article doesn't at
all establish,<br>
> the current article has a pretty fatal case of
systemic bias.<br>
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> On the surface I tend to agree, but then I read
the AfD:<br>
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> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/College_dating" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/College_dating</a><br>
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