<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">No, I shared a post with my opinion in the subject. Kaldari didn&#39;t asked me to explain why Sue is a liar, he asked me  - And I quoting - &quot;</font>Would you like to elaborate?<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">&quot;<br>
<br>That can be read in many ways. I read as a ask for read my opinion, but you -  apparently - read as a &quot;prove&quot; that Sue was lying.<br><br>And as for google, If you google &quot;auto-felatio&quot; &quot;suck my own cock&quot; &quot;suck my dick&quot; or whatever variation you can think of, you still knows exactly what you getting, so that does not annul my point, only proves it.  <br clear="all">
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ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o 
que estamos a fazer.</i><br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 1 October 2011 16:24, Sarah Stierch <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:sarah.stierch@gmail.com">sarah.stierch@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Beria - I presume you&#39;re asking me? <br><br>You shared a post &quot;replying&quot; to Kaldari asking you to explain you think Sue Gardner is a liar.<br><br>And The only thing I got out of it is that we have a collection of photographs of men sucking their own penises on Commons.  I was also testing Google - they say that a large amount of visitors read that page a month, and surely most of them probably don&#39;t search for &quot;auto-fellatio&quot; when looking for that content of men pleasuring themselves. So, I googled &quot;sucking my own cock&quot; since I presume a lot of men Google that content when trying to figure out how to do so, what it looks like, etc. <br>


<br>When I was in high school boys used to joke about being able to do it. This was before Google existed. So I was just using past experiences to see how someone would stumble across the &quot;auto-fellatio&quot; page without typing &quot;auto-fellatio&quot;. <br>


<br>Other than that, I never figured out why you think Sue Gardner is a liar. <br><br>I&#39;m laughing that I just re-explained that, heh, but I hope it helps, <br><font color="#888888"><br>-Sarah</font><div><div></div><div class="h5">
<br><br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 4:46 AM, Béria Lima <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:beria.lima@wikimedia.pt" target="_blank">beria.lima@wikimedia.pt</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I&#39;m sorry but whatever you took before write that mail I didn&#39;t, therefore, I didn&#39;t understand a word. Can you explain yourself?<br clear="all">


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ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o 
que estamos a fazer.</i><br>
<br><br></div><div><div></div><div><div class="gmail_quote">On 30 September 2011 14:27, Sarah Stierch <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:sarah.stierch@gmail.com" target="_blank">sarah.stierch@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>


<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Well, at least this confirms that there are a 14 photos of dudes getting their <i>own</i> rocks off on Commons! Thank god!  (Oh...speaking of permissions...) <br><br>You also have to scroll down a bit in Google search before you come across the article after searching &quot;sucking your own cock&quot;. The fact that the search finds that page based on one of my favorite films, Clerks, is rather funny. <br>




<br>Wait, where is Sue a liar? <br><font color="#888888"><br>-Sarah</font><div><div></div><div><br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:49 AM, Béria Lima <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:beria.lima@wikimedia.pt" target="_blank">beria.lima@wikimedia.pt</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>




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<br><i style="color:rgb(153, 153, 153)">Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de 
ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o 
que estamos a fazer.</i><br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 30 September 2011 00:37, Ryan Kaldari <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:rkaldari@wikimedia.org" target="_blank">rkaldari@wikimedia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





<u></u>

  
    
  
  <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
    Would you like to elaborate?<br><font color="#888888">
    <br>
    Ryan Kaldari</font><div><div></div><div><br>
    <br>
    On 9/29/11 4:35 PM, Béria Lima wrote:
    <blockquote type="cite"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I think it
        works both ways: There you might get stomped on by people who
        disagree with the lies Sue told in the post, and here I will be
        stomp up for even mentioned that she did lied in that blog post.<br>
        <br>
        Safe environment do not exist in this case. Is safeR for
        supports to come here, and safeR for opposers to go there. That
        does not make any list safe, only shows that the POV here is
        different than the POV there. <br clear="all">
      </font>_____<br>
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      <i style="color:rgb(153, 153, 153)">Imagine um mundo onde é dada
        a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao
        somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a
        fazer.</i><br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">On 30 September 2011 00:25, Sarah Stierch
        <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:sarah.stierch@gmail.com" target="_blank">sarah.stierch@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
        wrote:<br>
        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex">
          I&#39;m sure there are some people on this mailing list who also
          disagree as well! We try to provide a safe haven for
          discussion about sensitive topics.<br>
          <br>
          But, if any of us spoke up on Foundation-L we&#39;d be risking
          getting torn up by often heavily opinionated Foundation-L
          subscribers, and it gets really tiring :( It is also nice to
          have a change in opinion - for those who dislike the post,
          there are also many of that support it. Thanks for bringing up
          that a different type of conversation is taking place on
          Foundation-L! I&#39;ve been following it. <br>
          <font color="#888888">
            <br>
            -Sarah</font>
          <div>
            <div><br>
              <br>
              <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:17 PM,
                Béria Lima <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:beria.lima@wikimedia.pt" target="_blank">beria.lima@wikimedia.pt</a>&gt;</span>
                wrote:<br>
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                  <font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">ehhh, sorry
                    for be the different, but you people are reading the
                    thread about that same blog post in Foundation-l ?
                    The opinions there seems to be quite different than
                    yours.<br clear="all">
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                      Lima</i></font><br>
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                  <i style="color:rgb(153, 153, 153)">Imagine um mundo
                    onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
                    livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento
                    humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.</i>
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                      <br>
                      <div class="gmail_quote">On 30 September 2011
                        00:09, Ryan Kaldari <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:rkaldari@wikimedia.org" target="_blank">rkaldari@wikimedia.org</a>&gt;</span>
                        wrote:<br>
                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex">
                          <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"> Can I
                            nominate Sue for the Executive Director&#39;s
                            Barnstar? :)<br>
                            <font color="#888888"> <br>
                              Kaldari</font>
                            <div>
                              <div><br>
                                <br>
                                On 9/29/11 4:06 PM, Amory wrote:
                                <blockquote type="cite">I normally hate
                                  +1s, but I would like to echo this. 
                                  Really exceptionally well crafted, and
                                  even for people following it&#39;s a very
                                  good writeup.  Thank you, Sue.<br clear="all">
                                  <br>
                                  ~A<br>
                                  <br>
                                  <br>
                                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep
                                    29, 2011 at 09:36, Andreas Kolbe <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jayen466@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jayen466@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span>
                                    wrote:<br>
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                                            <td style="font:inherit" valign="top">Thanks for
                                              the link Sarah. It&#39;s an
                                              outstanding post by Sue,
                                              and a courageous one, too.
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>Andreas</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
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                                                  <br>
                                                  --- On <b>Thu,
                                                    29/9/11, Sarah
                                                    Stierch <i>&lt;<a href="mailto:sarah.stierch@gmail.com" target="_blank">sarah.stierch@gmail.com</a>&gt;</i></b>
                                                  wrote:<br>
                                                  <blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px">
                                                    <br>
                                                    From: Sarah Stierch
                                                    &lt;<a href="mailto:sarah.stierch@gmail.com" target="_blank">sarah.stierch@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
                                                    Subject: [Gendergap]
                                                    Sue&#39;s new blog<br>
                                                    To: &quot;Increasing
                                                    female participation
                                                    in Wikimedia
                                                    projects&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org" target="_blank">gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org</a>&gt;<br>
                                                    Date: Thursday, 29
                                                    September, 2011,
                                                    7:47
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div><br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        <div><a rel="nofollow" href="http://suegardner.org/2011/09/28/on-editorial-judgment-and-empathy/" target="_blank">http://suegardner.org/2011/09/28/on-editorial-judgment-and-empathy/</a><br>






                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          A lot of
                                                          things I think
                                                          about, and I&#39;m
                                                          sure a lot of
                                                          other people
                                                          here think
                                                          about.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I&#39;m sure this
                                                          blog won&#39;t be
                                                          well received
                                                          on other
                                                          WMF-related
                                                          mailing lists,
                                                          but, I have to
                                                          admit - for me
                                                          - I feel like
                                                          she&#39;s speaking
                                                          for me. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I don&#39;t want
                                                          to be a
                                                          censor, I just
                                                          want people to
                                                          have common
                                                          sense, good
                                                          judgement,
                                                          customer
                                                          service and
                                                          logic. And
                                                          when people
                                                          call <i>me</i>
                                                          a censor, it&#39;s
                                                          just as
                                                          offensive as
                                                          the other
                                                          names I&#39;ve
                                                          been called. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I have
                                                          beencalled a
                                                          prude, bitch,
                                                          agitator,
                                                          bore,
                                                          conservative,
                                                          censor,
                                                          &quot;anti-woman&quot;...
                                                          someone with
                                                          an
                                                          agenda...etc.
                                                          I can only
                                                          thank you Sue
                                                          for speaking
                                                          on behalf of
                                                          me - when I
                                                          clumsily try
                                                          to express
                                                          myself on
                                                          Foundation-L
                                                          and fear being
                                                          shot-down and
                                                          having my
                                                          &quot;Wiki&quot;
                                                          self-esteem
                                                          torn
                                                          down.....I
                                                          just feel like
                                                          &quot;giving up.&quot;<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Thanks. And I
                                                          promise
                                                          everyone, some
                                                          of us are
                                                          working
                                                          towards this,
                                                          and working
                                                          towards a
                                                          change and a
                                                          towards a
                                                          conversation
                                                          that is adult,
                                                          logical and
                                                          respectful. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          &lt;3<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          -Sarah<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
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