<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Maggie, Beria, and all:<div><br></div><div>I've read through the discussion of Sue's blog post with a mixture of interest (in the substance of the various things that have been said) and concern (about the tenor). I want to address the second of those, the way we choose to communicate with each other.</div><div><br></div><div>There are two statements that stand out to me -- things that I feel simply should not be said among people convened around collaboration and equality.</div><div><br></div><div>Maggie, you said:</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div>"I'm not clear what point you are trying to prove, other than the 9% of "girls'" voices don't matter."</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I can't begin to imagine which of Beria's words made you think that. She didn't say it. But it's the very first sentence of your response to her.</div><div><br></div><div>Beria, in a very brief message, you said:</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div>"… <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; ">the lies Sue told in the post…"</span></div></blockquote><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; ">"Lie" is a very strong word. If you're going to make such an accusation (as opposed to "I disagree" or "she is mistaken"), I believe civility demands that you state VERY clearly and concisely, in the same message, precisely what you think the lie is. I did follow your link, and I think I understand your position; but for such a strong statement, I don't believe it's appropriate to expect your readers to go digging for the meaning.</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; ">If both of you feel your words above are appropriate to this list, I disagree. Honesty and the validity of women's views are core values that we all share here. Accusations to the contrary are not productive.</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; ">-Pete</span></div></body></html>