I agree. As you wrote this email, I was altering it to include the phrase "consent to publish". Your wording is better, I'll change to that.<br>Toby/99of9<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 8:28 AM, Sarah <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:slimvirgin@gmail.com">slimvirgin@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">That looks good, Ryan. Would it make sense to add something about the<br>
release of the image? For example,<br>
<br>
"I personally created this media. All identifiable persons shown<br>
specifically consented to this photograph or video being taken and<br>
released under a free licence."<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
Sarah<br>
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<br>
<br>
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 15:43, Ryan Kaldari <<a href="mailto:rkaldari@wikimedia.org">rkaldari@wikimedia.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> I have created the new consent template:<br>
> <a href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Consent" target="_blank">http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Consent</a><br>
><br>
> Here is an example of it in use:<br>
> <a href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Splitting_logs_with_a_gas_powered_log_splitter.JPG" target="_blank">http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Splitting_logs_with_a_gas_powered_log_splitter.JPG</a><br>
><br>
> I also added a new section to the<br>
> Commons:Photographs_of_identifiable_persons guidelines encouraging people to<br>
> use the new template.<br>
><br>
> The wording of the template and guidelines don't mention anything about<br>
> nudity or sexualization. This is on purpose. Hopefully, this will be a good<br>
> first step to increasing the value and visibility of consent on Commons (in<br>
> a way that builds consensus rather than warring factions).<br>
><br>
> Ryan Kaldari<br>
><br>
> On 9/12/11 5:49 PM, Toby Hudson wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi Ryan,<br>
><br>
> A draft template was actually made to augment the mostly recently voted<br>
> [[COM:SEX]] proposal:<br>
> <a href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Consent" target="_blank">http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Consent</a><br>
><br>
> The proposal closed with no consensus*, but with a few modifications, the<br>
> template could still be put to good use.<br>
><br>
> Toby / 99of9<br>
><br>
><br>
> *Mainly because it included a clause allowing admins to delete out of scope<br>
> sexual content directly in a speedy deletion rather than setting up a<br>
> deletion request. There actually wasn't too much opposition to requiring a<br>
> statement of consent for identifiable sexual images, although there was<br>
> some.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Ryan Kaldari <<a href="mailto:rkaldari@wikimedia.org">rkaldari@wikimedia.org</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> I'm both a long-time admin on Commons and an OTRS volunteer. I've been<br>
>> wanting to chime in on this thread, but haven't really had the time. I'm<br>
>> worried though that I'm about to see history repeat itself, so I want to<br>
>> quickly share a few thoughts...<br>
>><br>
>> First, the issue of consent on Commons has been passionately debates for<br>
>> years, and has a long and tortured history. Before proposing anything,<br>
>> please make yourself familiar with the previous discussions and their<br>
>> outcomes. Most notably the discussions surrounding these pages:<br>
>> <a href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Sexual_content" target="_blank">http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Sexual_content</a><br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archives/User_problems_7#Privatemusings" target="_blank">http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archives/User_problems_7#Privatemusings</a><br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Photographs_of_identifiable_people" target="_blank">http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Photographs_of_identifiable_people</a><br>
>> <a href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Nudity" target="_blank">http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Nudity</a><br>
>><br>
>> The point I can't emphasize enough is that if you put forward any<br>
>> proposal on Commons that implies there is anything possibly problematic<br>
>> about sexual or nude images in any way, you will be completely shut<br>
>> down. The only way you have any chance to shape the policies and<br>
>> guidelines on Commons is if you approach the problem from a<br>
>> sex/nudity-agnostic point of view. Here's a good example of what NOT to<br>
>> do:<br>
>><br>
>> I think a general statement that permission of the subject is desirable<br>
>> / necessary for photos featuring nudity would be a good thing -<br>
>> thoughts? Privatemusings (talk) 00:49, 8 January 2009 (UTC)<br>
>> I think the horse is beyond dead by now. --Carnildo (talk) 22:46, 8<br>
>> January 2009 (UTC)<br>
>><br>
>> If the horse was beyond dead in January 2009, imagine where it is now.<br>
>> That said, there is still lots of room for improvement. In particular...<br>
>><br>
>> Commons already requires consent for photos of identifiable people in<br>
>> private spaces. In addition, many countries require consent even for<br>
>> public spaces. (Take a look at<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Photographs_of_identifiable_persons#Country_specific_consent_requirements" target="_blank">http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Photographs_of_identifiable_persons#Country_specific_consent_requirements</a>.)<br>
>> The way this requirement works, however, is completely passive and<br>
>> reactive - there is no impetus to proactively assert consent, only to<br>
>> assert it when an image is challenged. This is a very inefficient<br>
>> system. There are no templates or categories or anything to deal with<br>
>> consent on Commons (apart from Template:Consent which is tied up with<br>
>> the tortured history of Commons:Sexual_content and can't be used<br>
>> currently).<br>
>><br>
>> I don't think it would be incredibly controversial to introduce a very<br>
>> simple consent template that was specifically tailored to the existing<br>
>> policies and laws. This would make things easier for Commons reusers,<br>
>> professional photographers who use model releases, and admins who have<br>
>> to constantly deal with these issues. In short, it would be a win for<br>
>> everyone and it would introduce the idea of thinking proactively about<br>
>> consent on Commons in a way that isn't threatening to people who are<br>
>> concerned about censorship.<br>
>><br>
>> As soon as I have some free time, I'll whip up such a template and throw<br>
>> it into the water. It'll be interesting to see how it is received.<br>
>><br>
>> Ryan Kaldari<br>
>><br>
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