<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="2">--- On </font><b style="font-family: arial; font-size: 10pt; ">Mon, 12/9/11, Ryan Kaldari <i><rkaldari@wikimedia.org></i></b><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="2"> wrote:</font><br><blockquote style="font-family: arial; font-size: 10pt; border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; "><div class="plainMail">First, the issue of consent on Commons has been passionately debates for <br>years, and has a long and tortured history. Before proposing anything, <br>please make yourself familiar with the previous discussions and their <br>outcomes. Most notably the discussions surrounding these pages:<br><a href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Sexual_content"
target="_blank">http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Sexual_content</a><br><a href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archives/User_problems_7#Privatemusings" target="_blank">http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archives/User_problems_7#Privatemusings</a><br><a href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Photographs_of_identifiable_people" target="_blank">http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Photographs_of_identifiable_people</a><br><a href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Nudity" target="_blank">http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Nudity</a><br><br>The point I can't emphasize enough is that if you put forward any <br>proposal on Commons that implies there is anything possibly problematic <br>about sexual or nude images in any way, you will be completely shut <br>down. </div></blockquote><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial"><div><font
class="Apple-style-span" face="arial"><br></font></div></font><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial">And rightly so. After all, the idea --</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial">-- that people might feel aggrieved if a picture of them naked, or giving a blowjob, is hosted on Commons for global reuse, without their consent, </font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial">-- that their strength of feeling might be different if the matter concerned a picture showing them clothed, walking down the street </font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial">-- and that the Foundation should bear that difference in strength of feeling in mind, by requiring more solid consent for the former type of
image, </font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial">is really outré, isn't it. :))<br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial"><br></font></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; ">Andreas</span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial"><br></font></div><div><blockquote style="font-family: arial; border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; ">The only way you have any chance to shape the policies and<font class="Apple-style-span" size="2"> </font><br><font class="Apple-style-span" size="2">guidelines on Commons is if you approach the problem from a </font><br><font class="Apple-style-span" size="2">sex/nudity-agnostic point of view. Here's a good example of what NOT to do:</font><div class="plainMail"
style="font-size: 10pt; "><br>I think a general statement that permission of the subject is desirable <br>/ necessary for photos featuring nudity would be a good thing - <br>thoughts? Privatemusings (talk) 00:49, 8 January 2009 (UTC)<br> I think the horse is beyond dead by now. --Carnildo (talk) 22:46, 8 <br>January 2009 (UTC)<br><br>If the horse was beyond dead in January 2009, imagine where it is now. <br>That said, there is still lots of room for improvement. In particular...<br><br>Commons already requires consent for photos of identifiable people in <br>private spaces. In addition, many countries require consent even for <br>public spaces. (Take a look at <br><a href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Photographs_of_identifiable_persons#Country_specific_consent_requirements" target="_blank">http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Photographs_of_identifiable_persons#Country_specific_consent_requirements</a>.)
<br>The way this requirement works, however, is completely passive and <br>reactive - there is no impetus to proactively assert consent, only to <br>assert it when an image is challenged. This is a very inefficient <br>system. There are no templates or categories or anything to deal with <br>consent on Commons (apart from Template:Consent which is tied up with <br>the tortured history of Commons:Sexual_content and can't be used currently).<br><br>I don't think it would be incredibly controversial to introduce a very <br>simple consent template that was specifically tailored to the existing <br>policies and laws. This would make things easier for Commons reusers, <br>professional photographers who use model releases, and admins who have <br>to constantly deal with these issues. In short, it would be a win for <br>everyone and it would introduce the idea of thinking proactively about <br>consent on Commons in a way that isn't threatening to people who are
<br>concerned about censorship.<br><br>As soon as I have some free time, I'll whip up such a template and throw <br>it into the water. It'll be interesting to see how it is received.<br><br>Ryan Kaldari<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Gendergap mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org" href="/mc/compose?to=Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org">Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap" target="_blank">https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap</a><br></div></blockquote></div></td></tr></table>