<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Arnaud HERVE <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:arnaudherve@x-mail.net">arnaudherve@x-mail.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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On 12/09/2011 12:18, Sydney Poore wrote:
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<div class="gmail_quote">If you look at the full body of his work,
this admin truly is trying to follow policy and the customs of
Commons and WMF projects in general. </div>
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Well I might have been too quick in judging him, and besides idiocy
or perversion the reason of his behaviour might have been a complete
lack of attention. To the point that he didn't even have a look at
the photo, because if he did and still protected the photo, then I
am back at the idiocy or perversity hypothesis.<br>
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Because, quite frankly, voluntary or not, exceptional or not, what
he has done here is an insult to plain common sense, and a clear
direct deterioration of WP content.<br>
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From the scientific point of view it is below the required level to
even begin a discussion.<br>
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Imagine the page for Finger, should we even take time to discuss the
propriety of a photo showing the forearm without the fingers ? What
would we think of an admin who would protect a photo of the forearm
without the fingers on the Finger page, after having been duly
pointed to the obvious mistake by a user ? Don't you think the user
with a normal self-respect would be right to no bother to come any
longer on Wikipedia ?<br>
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If you add the Asian-erotic content to that, you realize that the
photo was totally inappropriate on so many levels that the problem
doesn't lie in the photo anymore but on the admin.<div class="im"><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">IMO, the policies need to be tweaked so
that admins like him will have better policy to work with. And
we need a broader group of people commenting in all deletion
discussions so that we get a more globally representative view
of what is appropriate for Commons to have on site.<br>
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Yes but as Sarah Stierch wrote today :<div class="im"><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">One thing Wikimedia as a whole <i>suffers</i>
from is no "solidity" when it comes to policy and rules.
Everything seems that it can be adapted, broken, changed,
manipulated..etc. I think that's a problem.</blockquote>
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Adding rules or adding policies or adding commentators doesn't work
if the admins don't show the adequate level of literacy, or use
their position to manipulate the rules at their convenience.<br>
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In his Discussion lock comment Yann says "Person is not
recognizable". That is typical of illiteracy and bad faith. You add
a right detail to justify an otherwise totally wrong and very
obviously wrong decision. That is totally twisting the rules.<br>
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As a result we now have a scientifically totally irrelevant and
plainly domestic-erotic photo on WP, which is explicitly protected
by WP. The mistake is so obvious that no further rules will work if
admins don't show a normal intention to respect the rules.<br>
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Re-read the discussion page. Is it normal that Sarah Stierch
(Missvain) had to take time to write the obvious in detail, and that
she was not followed eventually ? This is not fair, no grown-up
literate person should be treated like that. Even if it is
involuntary, Yann's decision is so wrong and so rude it should
seriously put in doubt his position as an admin.<br>
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<a href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Korean_Vulva2.jpg#File:Korean_Vulva2.jpg_3" target="_blank">http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Korean_Vulva2.jpg#File:Korean_Vulva2.jpg_3</a><br>
</div></blockquote><div><br>He reconsidered and deleted the image. Approaching an admin to reconsider is always okay. They close dozens of deletion discussions and will sometimes get something wrong. <br><br>This is a good outcome.<br>
<br>Sydney Poore<br><br></div></div><br><br><a href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Korean_Vulva2.jpg&diff=0&oldid=59292511">http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Korean_Vulva2.jpg&diff=0&oldid=59292511</a><br>