<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 20:04, Sue Gardner <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sgardner@wikimedia.org" target="_blank">sgardner@wikimedia.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hey folks,<br>
<br>
I did a superfast compilation of online comments by women talking<br>
about why they don't edit Wikipedia:<br>
<a href="http://suegardner.org/2011/02/19/nine-reasons-why-women-dont-edit-wikipedia-in-their-own-words/" target="_blank">http://suegardner.org/2011/02/19/nine-reasons-why-women-dont-edit-wikipedia-in-their-own-words/</a><br>
<br>
A couple of things struck me: Most of the reasons cited by women for<br>
not editing probably apply to men too. Most are deeply rooted culture<br>
stuff that will take time to change. And I was particularly interested<br>
to read women saying they believe the bar for notability is higher for<br>
the topics they write about, than it is for 'male' or 'ungendered'<br>
topics.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Sue<br>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>hi sue, that sounds really interesting, i immediately tested the reasons with people i know. the answers i got were: </div><div> * no time, </div><div> * no interest, </div><div> * what is wikipedia / you can edit wikipedia?</div>
<div><br></div><div>while "no time" is a very prominent and simple reason, this would match every person. as at the end of the day it is a decision between editing wikipedia and watch tv, edit wikipedia and hike, edit wikipedia and blog, ...</div>
<div><br></div><div>then i looked at edit counts of arbitrarily chosen women i know the user name of [1], starting with you as you wrote this email. as participating in wikipedia is a social thing, i was wondering who dragged you into wikipedia, and whom did you drag into it? and how? how much of your free time / holiday do you spend for wikipedia?</div>
<div><br></div><div>coming from edit counts i then looked at user profiles, blogs, titters, etc to get an impression about the internet / social network participation in general. again a couple of arbitrary links [2].</div>
<div><br></div><div>then i was wondering about you, beeing related to the internet business and the social aspects of it for an eternity in internet terms of time. and i thought about richard branson, who stated in "loosing my virginity" that his market surveys often include only one opinion: his own. if richard branson is right, then we can take sue gardners edit count as indication, that the whole thing is moving in the right direction :)</div>
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<div><br></div><div>take your last trip i can remember, going to india. highly successful from a professional pov, there is now a chapter, etc. you took the time to prepare the travel, to read about the region and the people, you took the time to blog/twitter about it, to write a report to the wmf board, but did you edit the article about india? did you upload a foto to commons?</div>
<div><br></div><div>what needs to be changed that you would have done this?</div><div><br></div><div>rupert.</div><div><br></div><div>[1] just a few edit counts ...</div><div>* sue in en: <a href="http://toolserver.org/~river/cgi-bin/count_edits?user=Sue%20Gardner&dbname=enwiki_p" target="_blank">http://toolserver.org/~river/cgi-bin/count_edits?user=Sue%20Gardner&dbname=enwiki_p</a></div>
<div>* sue in commons: <a href="http://toolserver.org/~river/cgi-bin/count_edits?user=Sue%20Gardner&dbname=commonswiki_p" target="_blank">http://toolserver.org/~river/cgi-bin/count_edits?user=Sue%20Gardner&dbname=commonswiki_p</a></div>
<div>* angela recent contributions: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Angela" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Angela</a></div><div>* angela in en: <a href="http://toolserver.org/~river/cgi-bin/count_edits?user=Angela&dbname=enwiki_p" target="_blank">http://toolserver.org/~river/cgi-bin/count_edits?user=Angela&dbname=enwiki_p</a></div>
<div>* delphine in fr: <a href="http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sp%C3%A9cial:Contributions/Notafish" target="_blank">http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sp%C3%A9cial:Contributions/Notafish</a></div><div>* <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jimbo_Wales" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jimbo_Wales</a> </div>
<div><br></div><div>[2] user profiles ...</div><div><div>
* <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sue_Gardner" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sue_Gardner</a></div><div>* <span style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, 'Nimbus Sans L', sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:15px"><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/suegardner" title="View public profile" name="12e468b1b77e6c37_webProfileURL" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;outline-width:initial;outline-style:none;outline-color:initial;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-size:13px;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;text-decoration:none;color:rgb(0, 102, 153)" target="_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/in/suegardner</a></span><span style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, 'Nimbus Sans L', sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:15px"> </span></div>
<div>* <span style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, 'Nimbus Sans L', sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:15px"><a href="http://au.linkedin.com/in/angelabeesley" title="View public profile" name="12e468b1b77e6c37_webProfileURL" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;outline-width:initial;outline-style:none;outline-color:initial;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-size:13px;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;text-decoration:none;color:rgb(0, 102, 153)" target="_blank">http://au.linkedin.com/in/angelabeesley</a></span></div>
</div><div>* <span style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, 'Nimbus Sans L', sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:15px"><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/pub/jimmy-wales/0/a8b/919" title="View public profile" name="12e468b1b77e6c37_webProfileURL" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;outline-width:initial;outline-style:none;outline-color:initial;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-size:13px;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;text-decoration:none;color:rgb(0, 102, 153)" target="_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/pub/jimmy-wales/0/a8b/919</a></span></div>
<div>* <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo</a></div><div><br></div></div>