<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial">These are not just pictures hidden under a mattress. They are much more like the babe</font><div><div style="font-family: arial; ">calendar in the office, to use Joseph's apt example, and are a symbol of a prevalent </div><div style="font-family: arial; ">mentality.</div><div style="font-family: arial; "><br></div><div style="font-family: arial; ">This is reflected in how editors are treated who complain. There is currently a discussion at</div><div style="font-family: arial; ">the Bukkake article about whether it is really necessary to have two almost identical images</div><div style="font-family: arial; ">portraying men ejaculating on a woman. A female editor, who first expressed reluctance to</div><div style="font-family: arial; ">even post there, because she suffered abuse from male editors in French
Wikipedia in a</div><div style="font-family: arial; ">similar situation, in the end did post, saying:</div><div style="font-family: arial; "><br></div><div style="font-family: arial; ">---o0o---</div><div style="font-family: arial; "><br></div><div style="font-family: arial; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px; font-family: sans-serif; ">Bonjour, Goodmorning, the <b>Illustration depicting the act of bukkake</b> seems to me</span></div><div style="font-family: arial; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px; font-family: sans-serif; ">inappropriate for a site serious as Wikipedia. The woman seems to have hands attachés</span></div><div style="font-family: arial; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px; font-family: sans-serif; ">behind? Has when then the images of rapes the back. Wikipedia go to tolerate images</span></div><div style="font-family: arial; "><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px; font-family: sans-serif; ">which degrade the women ? This image must be removed, thanks, merci </span></div><div style="font-family: arial; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px; font-family: sans-serif; "><br></span></div><div style="font-family: arial; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px; font-family: sans-serif; ">---o0o---</span></div><div style="font-family: arial; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: sans-serif; line-height: 19px; "><br></span></div><div style="font-family: arial; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: sans-serif; line-height: 19px; ">A male editor responds:</span></div><div style="font-family: arial; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px; font-family: sans-serif; "><br></span></div><div style="font-family: arial; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px;
font-family: sans-serif; ">---o0o---</span></div><div style="font-family: arial; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px; font-family: sans-serif; "><br></span></div><div style="font-family: arial; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px; font-family: sans-serif; ">Looking at that image, I can't see any reason that someone would assume that the image</span></div><div style="font-family: arial; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px; font-family: sans-serif; ">depicts that the woman has her hands tied. I see no rope or anything like that. So, if an</span></div><div style="font-family: arial; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px; font-family: sans-serif; ">image makes one reader think that she could have her hands tied, and hands being tied is</span></div><div style="font-family: arial; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px; font-family: sans-serif; ">not a
necesary component to Bukkake, then we should not have an image that makes them</span></div><div style="font-family: arial; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px; font-family: sans-serif; ">think that might be the case? That seems a stretch to me. She seems to merely have her</span></div><div style="font-family: arial; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px; font-family: sans-serif; ">hands behind her back. Perhaps she is supporting her weight? Perhaps she is relaxing?</span></div></div><div style="font-family: arial; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px; font-family: sans-serif; "><br></span></div><div style="font-family: arial; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px; font-family: sans-serif; ">---o0o---</span></div><div style="font-family: arial; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px; font-family: sans-serif; "><br></span></div><div style="font-family:
arial; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px; font-family: sans-serif; ">This is *excruciating*. He claims the right to invalidate her feelings, her views.</span></div><div style="font-family: arial; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px; font-family: sans-serif; "><br></span></div><div style="font-family: arial; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px; font-family: sans-serif; ">The same editor has now three times reverted the second bukkake image into the article,</span></div><div style="font-family: arial; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px; font-family: sans-serif; ">edit-warring against two editors, </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: sans-serif; line-height: 19px; ">despite the fact that four people on the talk page express a</span></div><div style="font-family: arial; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: sans-serif;
line-height: 19px; ">preference for having just one (or none) of these images, vs. one in favour of having both</span></div><div style="font-family: arial; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: sans-serif; line-height: 19px; ">images; </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: sans-serif; line-height: 19px; ">while he </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: sans-serif; line-height: 19px; ">himself claims he is undecided as to whether the second image adds</span></div><div style="font-family: arial; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: sans-serif; line-height: 19px; ">value and is doing his </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: sans-serif; line-height: 19px; ">reverts purely in the interest of "article stability".</span></div><div style="font-family: arial; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: sans-serif; line-height: 19px;
"><br></span></div><div style="font-family: arial; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: sans-serif; line-height: 19px; "><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bukkake&diff=prev&oldid=414458564">http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bukkake&diff=prev&oldid=414458564</a></span></div><div style="font-family: arial; "><br></div><div style="font-family: arial; "><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bukkake&action=historysubmit&diff=414358243&oldid=414306312">http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bukkake&action=historysubmit&diff=414358243&oldid=414306312</a></div><div style="font-family: arial; "><br></div><div style="font-family: arial; "><a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bukkake&action=historysubmit&diff=414364963&oldid=414363112">http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bukkake&action=historysubmit&diff=414364963&oldid=414363112</a></div><div style="font-family: arial; "><br></div><div style="font-family: arial; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: sans-serif; line-height: 19px; "><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bukkake&action=historysubmit&diff=414457841&oldid=414430776">http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bukkake&action=historysubmit&diff=414457841&oldid=414430776</a></span></div><div style="font-family: arial; ">(He claims the discussion has been running for four hours. It has run for a day and a half.)</div><div style="font-family: arial; "><br></div><div style="font-family: arial; ">This is atrocious. Are you surprised if women don't bother turning up for these
discussions?</div><div style="font-family: arial; "><br></div><div style="font-family: arial; ">Andreas</div></td></tr></table><br>