I'm rather reluctant to speak out for the same reason. This list
*needs*moderation, because it combines sex and politics, a volatile
mixture.
From,
Emily
On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 5:14 PM, ChaoticFluffy <chaoticfluffy(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
All I can say is that lately, this list has been going
the same way as
Foundation-l in my mind: it's becoming a place where there's no way in hell
I'm posting, because people are going to scream at me, abuse me, and attack
my every word. There are a couple people here who seem to really, really not
buy into the necessity of CIVIL, and I for one would very much like to see
some moderation to enforce civility. Disagree with people, fine. Call them
nasty names, send email after email attacking everything they say long after
the argument has been belabored to death, accuse them of lying or stupidity?
You lose me, my attention, and my respect. I think this is a reflection of
the problem on both Wikipedia and Wikipedia mailing lists: some people love
to attack, and some people love to keep beating a dead horse, and the people
who love those things inevitably drown out the saner, calm people who would
otherwise speak up as the voice of reason. I had hoped that this mailing
list could be a safe haven from that sort of thing, but it's turning into
just another place to avoid.
-Fluff
On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Fred Bauder <fredbaud(a)fairpoint.net>wrote;wrote:
I know
that it is not typically stringently enforced on mailing lists,
but
I think that enforcing [[WP:CIVIL]] would be a good idea on this list.
I
can understand concerns over any form of
moderation, but believe that
for
this list the benefits far outweigh the costs.
An open atmosphere where
everyone feels comfortable participating is necessary for this list to
have any purpose - and [[WP:CIVIL]] enforcement would be a good first
step
towards establishing that.
I'm not, to be clear, suggesting the moderation of dissenting
viewpoints.
I’m just suggesting that because of the nature
of this list it would
be
especially, extraordinarily, unusually
counterproductive to allow a
combative or uncivil environment to take root here.
I'm also tempted to just say that we should broadly defer to Sarah in
moderation. I trust her judgment, and I cannot imagine her trying to
censor viewpoints just because she disagrees with them.
----
Kevin Gorman
Enforcement of our civility rules on this list is inappropriate as it may
be applied to women posters who may have grievances. Not that venting is
appropriate.
Fred
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