Beria -
I never asked Caroline to leave the mailing list. I was merely making a
suggestion. For example, when I became overwhelmed by the traffic on
Foundation-L, I went to digest with it. A mere suggestion is not a
request for anyone to leave.
It's a shame that my posts have been so bothersome for the list, I never
knew that I was only making things worse, or not helping at all.
Sarah
On 12/25/11 10:32 AM, Béria Lima wrote:
/I must say, you are the first person to openly complain, and if
others feel strongly about it I can cease sharing content that I
think needs urgent help or peer review.
/
Well, I second Caroline. I already said this in Foundation-l but
again: I don't think that delete pictures of Wikipe-tan, remove a
vagina from the article with the same name or create a article for a
female pimp (only to mention a few cases I remember now) are the way
we will solve gender gap. So yes, please stop post this here, or use
the wikiEN-l <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l>
mailing list.
And Sarah, this "If you don't like you can sign the digest mode"
sounds rude to me, as if you are inviting her to leave. (I'm not a
english native, but that is how appears to me)
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On 25 December 2011 17:03, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch(a)gmail.com
<mailto:sarah.stierch@gmail.com>> wrote:
Caroline,
I apologize if my occasional posting of an "interesting" article
in English Wikipedia has been a burden, deterrent, or has went
against the "goal" of this mailing list for you. Since I have
joined, it has been something we have been doing, and the past
month or so the list has been rather quiet compared to other times
in the past. In the past, when we have shared articles of
questionable matter, subject, sexism, or other issues, we've had
great success of working together or independently to improve
those articles, and often those improvements have been done by
women who are on this list, which is very cool. I of course urge
folks in any language to share content, however, with most
Wikipedia mailing lists, systematic "language" bias does exist, as
many are in English, though I know that was not the main point of
your post.
Thanks for the suggestions. I'll probably start out discussing it
on the talk page of the article and also the project page.
Again, I apologize if my own interests in article improvement in
English Wikipedia have deterred or went against the mission of
this mailing list. I must say, you are the first person to openly
complain, and if others feel strongly about it I can cease sharing
content that I think needs urgent help or peer review. As you did
state, we could be pointing out issues of sexism all the time,
however, sometimes I feel there are things of interest to the
broader community, or something that might interest someone. (And
while it has mainly been me lately, if you explore the history of
the mailing list it's usually not just me flooding up your mailbox
=) )
I also must add, my sharing of articles of interest and concern
have wielded nothing but positive on.Wiki improvement of these
subjects, which for me, means the closing of the gender gap in a
different manner - one more subject area related to women or
women's history which is covered in a more equal and respectful
manner.
We also offer, as you probably know, a digest mode, so, if this
list is too busy for you (I think we are rather minimal these
days, compared to lists such as internal-l and foundation-l) that
might be something to consider. I'm glad you have joined and
chosen to participate, and I am really sorry if my posts have been
intruding.
Sarah
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On 12/25/11 5:59 AM, Caroline Becker wrote:
Hi everyone,
I'm sorry that my first post on the gender-gap list is a little
mean. I'm a wikipedia-fr admin, active member of Wikimédia France
chapter and a member of the OTRS team. Yet, since I've joined
gender-gap a week early, I receive more mails from this list than
all the other lists together. I'm also not a native English
speaker, which means every mail takes me a little longer of my time.
I thought the goal of this list was to discuss about women on
wikimedia projects and how to attract new ones. I don't think it
is useful to point out every single piece of sexism from
en-wikipedia, in articles and discussion pages, for that. Or
start
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap/en-wikipedia. I
could point out sexism comments from fr-wikipedia every day, but
I'm really not sure it is a constructive thing to do.
To come back to Madam vs Pimp, I think you either should start
the discussion there :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Sexology_and_sexual…,
or stop asking permission to create articles. If it bothers
someone, she will ask for a fusion.
Caroline (User:Léna)
2011/12/25 Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch(a)gmail.com
<mailto:sarah.stierch@gmail.com>>
Hi everyone,
I'm doing a bit of fiddling with some articles related to
sexuality and came across an article about a madam [[Polly
Adler]]. The word "madam" was linked to [[pimp]]. While the
article opens mentioning that a woman who runs a brothel is
called a madam, it's an extremely male dominated article and
focuses on the violent and sordid world of "being a pimp,"
for lack of better words.
I, frankly, would /love/ to see madam have it's own article.
Perhaps we should discuss it on the "pimp" page or just BE
BOLD. (I don't have time to start a well fleshed out madam
article, but, I'd be interested in perhaps collaborating with
others to do it.)
Thoughts?
-Sarah
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