[Foundation-l] Boycott in ace at wiki

[Oliver Keyes]

Except the problem is that at no point do they mention law; it's entirely
personal opinions. If they said "oh btw, the law in our nation creates
problems with images of Muhammad" then cool, fine, it's justified. Arguing
that images should be deleted not because of the law but because they find
it personally offensive, and stating that all Muslim wikipedians should
follow the same rules, is inappropriate.

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Lodewijk <lodewijk at effeietsanders.org>wrote:

> (not responding to anyone in particular)
>
> I agree with most of what Gerard said: we should talk with them, and be
> polite. What does it bring you to be right, but to scare away a community
> in
> the process? Some people might find comfort in that, I don't.
>
> Now lets try to follow this from their point of view. The English Wikipedia
> adheres to US law, and probably some more. People editing any Wikipedia
> have
> to adhere to the law they are in. Now apparently these people feel that
> they
> should follow Islamitic law. So far, I guess everybody can agree that they
> are OK to do so. The problem comes when they try to force that onto other
> people. But... if the majority of a project is in a certain country - would
> we disallow that project to align the rules to that countries law? And if
> the majority feels it has to follow Islamitic law, would we say they can't
> add in their local rules "pictures of Mohammed are not allowed"? To be
> honest, if that would be what the community wants, and beliefs to be the
> best, who are we to tell them they can't? I can imagine that if these
> people
> have such big problems with it, also the intended audience might be
> insulted
> with those images.
>
> So, there is one other problem: the template. I have seen worse statements
> on user pages, so I would not worry too much about the template itself, as
> long as it is restricted to that. I dont see a problem with discussion.
> However, using it on the main page does pose a problem. We should not be
> bothering our readers with internal conflicts of whatever nature. So
> hopefully we can talk to them about that specifically.
>
> Is anyone in conversation with them now?
>
> Lodewijk
>
> 2010/7/16 Nathan <nawrich at gmail.com>
>
> > On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Austin Hair <adhair at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I agree completely with Gerard, and also want to ask that we extend
> > > the same standard to this discussion on the mailing list.
> > >
> > > We can look at this issue and say "stupid fundamentalists," but that's
> > > hardly productive, and very quickly devolves into a thread with posts
> > > that are, at best, pretty darn rude.  I really don't want to have to
> > > moderate five people this weekend when it finally gets to the point of
> > > outright Muslim-bashing.
> > >
> > > Austin
> > >
> >
> >
> > Have a little faith. I don't think anything like outright
> > Muslim-bashing has ever happened on this list by regular participants.
> > Suggestions of closing the Aceh Wikipedia are obviously premature and
> > not helpful; discussing whether the rule violates NPOV, and alerting
> > others to facts about the situation, seems fine. It looks like the
> > administrators involved on ace.wp speak English and other languages,
> > anyone inclined to do so should feel welcome to approach them.
> >
> > It's worth noting the template does not currently appear on the Main
> > Page, and there is something of a discussion about it here:
> >
> >
> http://ace.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marit_Ureu%C3%ABng_Nguy:Hercule#Wikipedia_and_Islam
> >
> > Nathan
> >
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