[Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation's partnership with Kaltuna and loss of freedom

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
I can spend my time only once. I am selective. I do not buy into the daily
dramas. I do not buy the notion that the WMF will not be there in 10 years.
I do think and hope it will be different as in better in 10 years time, but
I am not interested in the prophets of doom who think that the WMF is on the
point of implosion, this week like last week.. I may be interested when they
come with well reasoned opinions.

So I have plenty of good faith.. I am just not interested in daily drama.

Thanks,
     GerardM

On Jan 18, 2008 4:00 PM, Chad <innocentkiller at gmail.com> wrote:

> Likely, not always. Just because someone is disruptive somewhere doesn't
> mean
> they will be again. What happened to assume good faith?
>
> Chad
>
> On Jan 18, 2008 5:52 AM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hoi,
> > It may not have a basis in fact. However, when a person comes along
> > condemning the WMF, and being accused of being disruptive in other
> projects
> > I do not have to spend *my *time on him or on his arguments. When the
> guy is
> > more moderate in his language I may read him next time.
> >
> > There is no excuse for trashing or trolling other peoples projects.
> There is
> > no excuse for someone from one WMF project to troll on other WMF
> projects
> > either. The notion that someone should be given a safe haven because he
> can
> > be constructive on any particular wiki is likely to be for as long as
> such a
> > project conforms to his ideas.. When people are disruptive elsewhere and
> use
> > unacceptable means, they are likely to become disruptive when things
> happen
> > that they do not like. Alternatively, they grow up.
> > Thanks,
> >      GerardM
> >
> >
> > On Jan 18, 2008 11:29 AM, Ray Saintonge <saintonge at telus.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Thomas Dalton wrote:
> > > > On 17/01/2008, Andrew Whitworth <wknight8111 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> The two are completely unrelated. So long as he behaves himself
> around
> > > >> here, It doesnt matter what he does elsewhere.
> > > >>
> > > > Of course it does. We're not in this to dish out justice, we're here
> > > > to generate and distribute free content. Someone who is disruptive
> > > > elsewhere is likely to be disruptive here and hinder us in achieving
> > > > our goals, so we should treat them pretty much the same as we treat
> > > > people who have already been disruptive here. It's important to be
> > > > mindful of the details - in some cases, there might be something
> more
> > > > going on than simple vandalism (I don't know the details of this
> > > > case), but I see see no problem in using all the information we have
> > > > at our disposal in making decisions.
> > > This view is inconsistent with your other post about a steward taking
> > > action on Wikibooks for a ban on Wikipedia.  Although I would still
> > > strongly disagree with that steward's action it remains relatively
> more
> > > defensible when two sister projects are involved, than when the
> supposed
> > > bad behaviour took place on a completely unrelated site.  We certainly
> > > have no time to go into detailed analysis of activity on other sites
> to
> > > find out if the accusations are justified.  Your presumption that a
> > > person who is disruptive on another site would be disruptive here has
> no
> > > basis in fact.
> > >
> > > True as it may be that we're not here to dish out justice, that
> > > statement confuses ands and means. The free content is about ends, and
> > > to whatever extent justice is relevant it is about means.  If we are
> not
> > > here to dish out justice that applies equally to the head and tail of
> > > justice.  Debates about whether someone's treatment is just is about
> the
> > > head of justice.  Meting out punishments that may have been prescribed
> > > elsewhere is about dishing out the tail of justice.
> > >
> > > Ec
> > >
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