[Foundation-l] (Flashback) A short (and revised) FAQ about Wikimania in Alexandria
Florence Devouard
Anthere9 at yahoo.com
Tue Apr 22 09:20:02 UTC 2008
Oldak Quill wrote:
> 2008/4/21 Florence Devouard <Anthere9 at yahoo.com>:
>> Mike Godwin wrote:
>> > Greg Maxwell writes:
>> >
>> >> In the message I responded to you stated that the collection of
>> >> emergency contact information would present considerable privacy
>> >> concerns. Here you seem to be suggesting that the foundation would
>> >> instead prefer to pass off the collection to a volunteer driven
>> >> project. This seems like a completely inconsistent position, but
>> >> perhaps I just do not understand.
>> >
>> > I guess I'm both callous and inconsistent. Next thing you know I'll be
>> > downright evil. (That's where you going, isn't it? Just admit it.)
>> >
>> > It should be noted that the concerns that have been raised to me, both
>> > publicly and privately, are themselves inconsistent. Some people are
>> > concerned about their privacy. Some are concerned about security. Some
>> > are concerned about both privacy and security. Some are concerned
>> > about neither. Some are concerned about wholly separate matters. Some
>> > feel that they can't post publicly to this list without themselves
>> > being criticized.
>> >
>> > So don't be surprised if you hear from me representations of
>> > inconsistent concerns. This is not exactly a consistent crowd. (News
>> > flash!)
>> >
>> >> I'm at a bit of a loss as to what means could possibly be more
>> >> efficient and effective than simply adding a single additional field
>> >> to the official Wikimania registration form. Could you please
>> >> elaborate?
>> >
>> > I can elaborate by saying that I think you have spent more time
>> > responding to me than it might have taken you to come up with a
>> > solution that addresses the concerns you state here. This strikes me
>> > as callous.
>> >
>> > Is there a registration form somewhere that the Foundation has access
>> > to, Greg, that you don't? I don't know of one. Have you considered
>> > making your concerns known to those who are actually organizing the
>> > conference, such as Delphine and the local team? (The Foundation is
>> > only paying for it.)
>>
>> I... no... I totally disagree here. The Foundation is not ONLY paying
>> for it.
>>
>> Actually, it is really hardly *paying*, because the past three
>> Wikimanias have been a zero sum cost, or even made a tiny benefit (used
>> for following Wikimanias).
>> The costs of Wikimania are supported by sponsors, participants,
>> sometimes chapters, and lots' of good will (free work by wikipedians or
>> by local organizations).
>> The major real costs for the Foundation are to pay for the participation
>> of board members/staff members.
>> The Foundation is simply NOT paying for the conference. It is helping
>> money to come in, and helping the money to come out.
>>
>>
>> However, paying is not really the issue.
>> It is probably boosting to say that Wikimedia Foundation is organizing
>> Wikimania. This is not really true, most events have been organized by
>> the Wikimania teams.
>>
>>
>> What Wikimedia Foundation is really doing is facilitation.
>> It facilitates in providing the right to use the brand.
>> It facilitates in providing access to a bank account and means to pay.
>> It facilitates in "lending" staff or contractors (be it Delphine to help
>> coordinate, or Jay to help with Press and communication, or Mike for the
>> security assessment etc....)
>> It facilitates in providing reassurance to sponsors
>>
>> etc...
>>
>> Facilitation is an important role. Probably essential. The Conference of
>> the America was cancelled precisely because the Foundation could not
>> (would not) play this role of facilitator.
>>
>> I would also largely say that facilitating should be the ONLY role of
>> the Foundation.
>>
>>
>> Ant
>>
>>
>
> The Foundation's role is a little less passive than this. It is
> ultimately responsible for choosing the winning bid/city...
> At least, the jury is composed of WF board members and people
> involved with past Wikimanias. Am I wrong in thinking the jury falls
> under the WF?
>
> WF doesn't merely facilitate these events, it has an active role in
> saying "go" or "no".
Board members+staff are in a serious minority with regards to voting to
choose the city (2 or 3 votes ?). It is certainly not a blocking
majority. So, I would not say that choosing the city is the
responsibility of the WMF, given that board members can vote for city A
and city B be chosen ultimately by the entire jury.
However, I think that if these board members or the ED (or Mike) had a
MAJOR argument against choosing a specific city, the jury members would
be sensitive to it and vote accordingly.
That's not a written rule, but simply healthy way to work collectively
for the best outcome.
Ant
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