[Foundation-l] Wikimedia contacts

[Dan Collins]

On Nov 12, 2007 5:54 AM, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko at gmail.com> wrote:

> NotACow/kayrnn/Kelly is the person issuing the ban on #wikipedia and
> #wikimedia-ops. All of those layers are hence useless as she so far
> refused to communicate using a non-irc method such as my wikipedia
> talk page or email. I do not want to talk to NotACow/kayrnn/Kelly
> directly on IRC as I ignored her permanently so as not to rise the
> temperature unnecessarily as we end up annoying each other
> unintentionally.
>
>  I can't publicly post the log here but can email it to you (in fact
> I'll forwarded it after sending this).
>
>     - White Cat
>
> On Nov 12, 2007 12:37 PM, Sean Whitton <sean at silentflame.com> wrote:
> > On 11/12/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
> > [snip]
> > > The contacts are listed on meta, but they're not there to resolve
> > > personal disputes you have with people on IRC. As the page says "the
> > > contacts have a policy of staying out of channel affairs..."
> > >
> > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_Group_Contacts
> >
> > For the record, I am the person to go to at the moment rather than
> > James as he has delegated 99% of the work to me due to other
> > commitments. You are right though that we try to stay out of this at
> > all costs. The correct order for escalation of issues is the
> > following, but really anything past the first few layers is a last
> > resort:
> >
> > For #wikipedia:
> > Op who banned
> > #wikimedia-ops (where I hope bans are used extremely sparingly)
> > Deputy Channel Contact, NotACow/kayrnn/Kelly
> > Channel Contact: Mark_Ryan
> > IRC Group Contacts
> >
> > Sean
> >
> >
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> >
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Let me just chime in with last night - White_Cat: appearantly Drini, an op,
asked you why you were in #wikipedia-es - Drini wanted to be sure you
weren't leaking logs, and you ignored him. When he banned you, you came to
-ops and asked for help. JohnReaves and myself were on at the time, and we
didn't ignore you, we simply didn't have any power in -es. When Drini
arrived, you refused to unignore him, and there wasn't anything we could do
to help you.

As for the #wikipedia incident, White_Cat was asking for homework
assistance, NotACow posted the solution, but White_Cat was ignoring NotACow.
White_Cat was asking for someone with logs, and didn't see NotACow's
warnings. (NotACow is the deputy channel contact, by the way.)

White_Cat: You want to be unbanned, of course. To do that, you went to -ops
last night - no problem with that. But you can not ignore the only people
who can help you. Your escalation from -ops to email was not necessary, as
there was a user there fully able to help you, had you unignored him and
answered his questions.

And finally, why are we discussing this on foundation-l?

-- 
ST47
Administrator, en.wikipedia