[Foundation-l] Fwd: wikipedia: "wikiasaria" the p2p way, here: participation of the foundation in the new wiki project (cspace and yacy based)

Mon Dec 25 20:03:07 UTC 2006

Hi James,

Ok then the request is, that wikipedia and the foundation do the same.
Parallel to wikia.com & Amazon.
Get rid of the wikiasaria term and find a new one, e.g. "wiki-search.org", 
"wiki-suche.de" and so on.
Besides that, the idea is as well still open to have next to the wikipedia search box a search box for yacy and with this a search for external internet links. Support yacy from the wikipedia, and distribute the p2p nodes over the buddylist cspace, as well with the brand wikipedia.
Both applications are in the hand of the users, as they are open and p2p decentral.

Both correlate to the mission, vision and first sentences of the foundation:

quote:

The mission of the Wikimedia Foundation is to empower and engage people around the world to collect and develop educational content under a free license or in the public domain, and to disseminate it effectively and globally.

In collaboration with a network of chapters, the Foundation provides the essential infrastructure and an organizational framework for the support and development of multilingual wiki projects and other endeavors which serve this mission. The Foundation will make and keep useful information from its projects available on the Internet free of charge, in perpetuity.

Kind regards.

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
Datum: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 14:55:00 -0500
Von: "James Hare" <messedrocker at gmail.com>
An: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" <foundation-l at wikimedia.org>
Betreff: Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: wikipedia: "wikiasaria" the p2p way,	here: participation of the foundation in the new wiki project	(cspace and yacy based)

> Wikiasari will be a service of Wikia, not the Wikimedia Foundation.
> 
> On 12/25/06, "Thomas Müller" <thomasasta at gmx.net> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Brad Patrick, Mailinglist
> > and local wikimedia/foundation responsibles.
> >
> > Jim wants to create a search engine for the wiki community as strong as
> > google. To fight central authorized search engines like google and to
> > support the community help of searches in the internet
> >
> > As it is good to have a wiki-relation, I sent the attached idea as well
> to
> > you.
> >
> > I read, that wiki.com is financially independent from the
> wikifoundation.
> > And that the new search-engine wikisari or wikiAsariA, dunno, is with
> the
> > purpose of earning money with ads in cooperation of amazon.
> >
> > http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=wikisari&meta=
> > (yesterday google had only 5 results, today 238)
> > http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=wikisaria&meta=
> > (today 307 results)
> >
> > Ok, maybe a parallel model or integrated model with the wiki-enterprise
> is
> > possible in collaboration woith wikimedia foundation.
> >
> >
> > The idea is, to use the p2p indexing search engine yacy (see link
> below).
> > (speek blacky like jacky Onasis)
> >
> > Wiki and Amazon create some big servers and get a central webadress.
> Users
> > can search the database (as a p2p node) from that central website and
> get
> > advertisements. This central website is in cooperation with amazon and
> as
> > well the amazon website gets a search box.
> >
> >
> > Then.. as yacy search engine is a p2p engine, we need a lot of nodes,
> > running yacy.
> > To be strong as google we need at elast 20.000 peers running yacy. If
> > there is less bandwith dedicated, we need maybe 50.000 users every
> minute
> > online.
> >
> > The idea is now (already posted with a draft in the yacy forum) to
> combine
> > yacy with an instant messenger, users always run, Yacy could be stick to
> the
> > messenger as a deamon and doing the indexing job of websites.
> >
> > The bandwith for that could be adjusted with a slider in the Instant
> > Messenger friendslist.
> >
> > As the friendslist CSpace could be used.  http://cspace.in
> >
> > CSpace is an open Source and SERVERLESS Buddylist (so no icq aol msn
> yahoo
> > or google talk, which are all serverbased). Cspace is fully decentral
> using
> > a dht kademlia lookup for the buddies online in a p2p style.
> >
> > If you stick both together, yacy and cspace, then users run it all the
> > time and yacy could index and the buddylist coud offer as well a search
> box
> > to run searches decentral on every computer direct accessing the p2p
> yacy
> > network.
> >
> > Many users will use the buddylist cspace then from wikipedia and support
> > this way the backgroud daemon yacy indexing websites.
> >
> > As well users then can acess the search engine using the wikiasaria
> > homepage of amazon and wiki.com in a browser.
> >
> > Furthermore we can make of the new application (yacy + cspace) an
> toolabr
> > for firefox, thunderbird and songbirdnest.com
> >
> > then we have the buddylist integrated and teh yacy background is doing
> > website indexing in all the buddies an performing a big p2p net.
> >
> >
> >
> > Wikiasarias Idea is to add manual page ranking to the website index.
> This
> > is already coded in yacy and a browser toolbar exists as well.
> >
> >
> > We just need to distribute yay as a daemon of a budylist / Cspace and
> > bring it into the community or into the branding of Wikimedia.
> >
> > Yacy is written in java, CSpace in Python, but a common gui or a
> > XUL-Toolbar for firefox should be no problem.
> >
> > As both code branches exist, we have less money to take to get both
> > together and bring the p2p net for buddies and website indexing out.
> >
> > If anyone needs futher ideas, write a feedback.
> >
> > Thanks for considering a plan, how to decentralize the search engines
> and
> > websiteindex, in the wikimedia foundation baord,
> >
> > As I see, more then 300.000 Dollars are already donated, maybe a coding
> > team can bring both applications into one gui and wiki can distribute
> it, if
> > wiki.com or wikiasaria then supports this with a central wesite search
> (as
> > a big serverfarm-node of the p2p network yacy) this would be a perfect
> > cooperation.
> >
> > Thanks a lot
> >
> > tom
> >
> > PS1: Maybe you know the german-french search engine QUAERO project,
> which
> > goal was to fight the majority of google.
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaero
> > This project is broken and not done. So the need to have a community
> build
> > search engine still exists.
> >
> > PS2: Besides now: Please forward this mail to the techical administrator
> > lists of wikipedia, then each wiki server can set up a yacy node already
> > today and display as well yacy searche ngine results, as well the node
> can
> > index the wikimedia site of the individual country and get the external
> > links as well, as they are already the manual edited best links for each
> > wiki-article. Would be perfect, to see in each wikipedia the yacy saerch
> > window as well to have an external search option as well. maybe the
> donated
> > money could be used to have some big yacy servers as well.
> >
> > -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > Datum: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 19:39:14 +0100
> > Von: "Thomas Müller" <thomasasta at gmx.net>
> > An: jwales at wikia.com
> > Betreff: wikipedia: wikiasaria the p2p way
> >
> > Hello Jimmy,
> >
> > I want to suggest to do the wikiasaria the p2p way.
> >
> > There is alreay an open source software to have a p2p search engine to
> > fight google.
> >
> > http://www.yacy.net/yacy/Demo.html
> >
> > You with the wikipedia background and amazon can support the open source
> > java development.
> >
> > Then you can built a big server to acess this p2p net over a central
> > homepage and place here the advertisements you need to earn money and
> found
> > it (and all servers supporting this).
> >
> >
> > YACY (speek Jacky like Blacky) is open source and could be customized to
> > have an url rating from the users while they run an indexin node or aces
> > your central webserver to search the index or make a toolbar (which
> already
> > exists) to rate that page in the browser.
> >
> > Already many nodes of yacy start with the wikipedia urls and links
> > indexing.
> >
> > To get the p2p indexing nodes popular, I suggested to have the indexing
> > yacy node as an background deamon in an instant messenger, This could be
> > Cspace, as it is serverless and open too. but it is python written, not
> > java.
> >
> > Http://cspace.in
> >
> > If you need more proposal, how to code, I can send a draft of how they
> can
> > interact.
> >
> >
> > kind regards and if you like, sent feedback.
> > Tom
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