<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="2">--- On </font><b style="font-family: arial; font-size: 10pt; ">Tue, 17/5/11, Tobias Oelgarte <i><tobias.oelgarte@googlemail.com></i></b><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="2"> wrote:</font><br><blockquote style="font-family: arial; font-size: 10pt; border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; "><div id="yiv5176019">If we buy this contributions with a loss of liberty. Then yes.
Nothing is as worthy as liberty.<br>
<br></div></blockquote><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="2"><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="2"><br></font></div>There is more than one way to view this. </font><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="2"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="2">One could equally say that the price we are paying for having your images is the loss of</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="2">freedom </font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: small; ">to put a truly educational image on the main page. It is embarrassment for John</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: small; ">and Craig. It includes </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: small; ">that people who could provide tremendous support to our
project</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: small; ">may not provide it, resulting in </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: small; ">the loss of hundreds of thousands of images more valuable</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: small; ">and </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: small; ">notable than your original art, and </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: small; ">a perception of Foundation projects as puerile and not</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: small; ">worthy </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: small; ">of serious attention. </span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: small;
"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: small; ">But then you think Commons is "bullshit" anyway -- apart from the fact that it gives you a</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: small; ">platform to broadcast your fan art to the world, and shout "censorship". </span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="2"><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: small; "><br></span></div><div>Andreas</div></font></div><div><blockquote style="font-family: arial; font-size: 10pt; border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; "><div id="yiv5176019"><br>
Am 17.05.2011 10:22, schrieb Gnangarra:
<blockquote type="cite">Is this picture worth more than 137,000 news images, <br>
Is this picture worth the loss of xontributions from GLAM
organisations<br>
Is this picture worth the cost of denying other contributors the
opportunity to participate.<br>
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<div class="yiv5176019gmail_quote">On 17 May 2011 16:16, Tobias Oelgarte <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:tobias.oelgarte@googlemail.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=tobias.oelgarte@googlemail.com">tobias.oelgarte@googlemail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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Am 17.05.2011 02:34, schrieb Neil Kandalgaonkar:<br>
<div class="yiv5176019im">> On 5/16/11 8:21 PM, Cary Bass wrote:<br>
>> We need an active group of contributors who
represent at the very least<br>
>> some cross-section of not only Commons contributors
but of interested<br>
>> re-users of Commons content to actively monitor and
maintain the POTD.<br>
>> This is not the first time that something
inappropriate for Main Page<br>
>> content has appeared and I doubt it will be the
last.<br>
> That is definitely a practical solution. POTD are
scheduled long in<br>
> advance, so that could solve the problems here pretty
quickly. The image<br>
> in question is, IMO, unambiguously inappropriate for
Commons, and this<br>
> shouldn't have been a difficult debate.<br>
><br>
> On the other hand it feels a bit wrong to me. In that
case we're asking<br>
> groups that are relatively underrepresented in Wiki
culture to take on<br>
> the role of policing. I feel like they ought to have
some rights to a<br>
> welcoming environment as a baseline. That said, in a
wiki context, it<br>
> seems to be impossible to achieve such baseline
freedoms, as long as the<br>
> offenders have large amounts of free time.<br>
><br>
> So some people are going to have to make the sacrifices
to change the<br>
> culture.<br>
><br>
> Another worry: if there's a "quality control board",
officially or<br>
> unofficially, they can start to take that role too
seriously or become<br>
> captured by various radical factions. But I guess we
have to take that<br>
> chance.<br>
><br>
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Another board for decisions? Just leave the communities alone.
They can<br>
handle it very well on their own. Any board i know failed in
so many<br>
points. An good example from the German Wikipedia is the<br>
"Schiedsgericht". This is the last call if some users can't be
stopped<br>
from offending each other. But this board isn't trusted at all
and<br>
constantly breaks down. Just because it is seen as needless.<br>
<br>
What im seeing here is the construction of an government which
isn't<br>
even democratic, getting very close to a dictatorship. Or as
we said in<br>
the GDR: One party, elected by itself.<br>
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Tobias<br>
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