Without talking to the liquidators, how much could they be looking for at the moment their plan is to destroy the negatives that'll cost them(ultimately the creditors) what $5,000 to $10,000 so I'd think any value for the negatives is a positive for the liquidators and the creditors. We'd probably need to find someone from the GLAM sector to become involved as we cant store the negatives and theres not a realistically short timeframe for digitising such a collection so it'd have to be an extended project. <br>
<br>I'd assume that if they can sell the negatives they must own them, and rights to use them why else would the liquidators consider them a disposable asset. <br>If they dont own the rights to the images then the asset value is very small realistically thats just the recyclable value of the media itself, its also probably not of an immediate benefit to Us except in the good will preserving such a collect would give us with the GLAM sector rather than being seen as just noncontributing consumer of all that is free.<br>
<br>Really we cant speculate we need to contact the liquidator and find out some more detail, Liam points out this an opportunity for a local chapter but I' m happy to make initial enquiries and then hand it across at a later date.<br>
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 28 February 2011 10:20, Liam Wyatt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:liamwyatt@gmail.com" target="_blank">liamwyatt@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Responding to Gnangarra - this is a very interesting issue indeed, and one that we might be able to make a big impact with, but I don't think this is a Wikimedia FOUNDATION issue as it involves the creation/purchase of content. Rather I would suggest that this is an issue that falls within the scope of the Chapters - in this case WM-FR. Either money could be spent directly from a chapter(s) budget or potentially the chapter(s) could run a specific donation-drive to fund such a purchase? Besides, how much are we talking here? $50,000? $500,000? $5million?<br>
<br>Response to Jon - the way I read that, it means that 75% of the photographs were taken under contract with Corbis and therefore the copyright would come with the purchase of the collection. Any purchase could presumably be specified to only those images which come WITH the copyright. <br>
<br>-Liam<br><br clear="all"><a href="http://wittylama.com/blog" target="_blank">wittylama.com/blog</a><br>Peace, love & metadata<div><div></div><div><br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 28 February 2011 01:51, Jon Davis <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wiki@konsoletek.com" target="_blank">wiki@konsoletek.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Forgive me if I'm off base here, but from what I understand it. The images to be lost are "<span title="Click for alternate translations"></span><span> </span><span title="Click for alternate translations">25</span><span title="Click for alternate translations">%</span><span> </span><span title="Click for alternate translations">of</span><span> </span><span title="Click for alternate translations">photographic elements</span><span> </span><span title="Click for alternate translations">remaining</span><span> </span><span title="Click for alternate translations">under the</span><span> </span><span title="Click for alternate translations">control of</span><span> </span><span title="Click for alternate translations">liquidator </span><span title="Click for alternate translations">(</span><span title="Click for alternate translations">photographers</span><span> </span><span title="Click for alternate translations">without a signed</span><span> </span><span title="Click for alternate translations">contract</span><span> </span><span title="Click for alternate translations">with</span><span> </span><span title="Click for alternate translations">Corbis</span><span> </span><span title="Click for alternate translations">Corporation</span><span> </span><span title="Click for alternate translations">and</span><span> </span><span title="Click for alternate translations">is</span><span> </span><span title="Click for alternate translations">represented</span><span> </span><span title="Click for alternate translations">by </span><span title="Click for alternate translations">Sygma</span><span title="Click for alternate translations">)". <br>
<br>That would seem to indicate that regardless of how they got these images, they don't have a contract on file and that concerns me. Are we even sure that if the Foundation bought the photos, that they'd be able to release them? And how in the bloody hell would commons handle more than double the amount of content it already has. Sure, going from 10 million files to 22 million files would be kick ass, but that would be a MAJOR amount of work for EVERYONE involved.<br>
<br>(Not saying it's a bad idea, just concerned).<br>-Jon<br></span><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div>On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 17:29, Gnangarra <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gnangarra@gmail.com" target="_blank">gnangarra@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div></div><div><a href="http://www.ajmj.fr/php/annuaire/pageFicheAnnuaire.php?id=354" target="_blank">http://www.ajmj.fr/php/annuaire/pageFicheAnnuaire.php?id=354</a><br>
<br>if my french still serves me<br><ul><li>Stephane Gorrias</li>
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</li><li>Courriel : <a href="mailto:stephane.gorrias@ajmj.fr" target="_blank">stephane.gorrias@ajmj.fr</a></li><li> </li><li>Domicile Professionnel</li><li>1 Place Boieldieu</li><li>75002 PARIS</li><li>Télécopie : 01 40 28 06 70</li>
</ul>these are the contact details<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 28 February 2011 06:44, Jimmy Wales <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jwales@wikia-inc.com" target="_blank">jwales@wikia-inc.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Happy to help if I can, but it does seem that the photos are physical objects and therefore possibly expensive to store/digitize. If someone can help me find the email address of the decision maker there, I'm happy to open or lend support to a conversation with them.<br>
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It isn't clear from the blog whether they own only the physical objects or also the copyrights.<div><div></div><div><div><div></div><div><br>
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On 2/26/11 12:28 PM, Gnangarra wrote:<br>
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<a href="http://blog.melchersystem.com/2011/02/25/the-fire-this-time/" target="_blank">http://blog.melchersystem.com/2011/02/25/the-fire-this-time/</a><br>
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12 Million Photographs are to be destroyed because liquidators cant find<br>
a buyer?<br>
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these arent just random landscape photos, these are photos are from the<br>
fench news agency Sygma<br>
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Wikimedia-france, Jimbo, any chance they could find their way to Commons<br>
rather than just being destroyed and lost for ever.......<br>
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