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Even without the patrolled edit thing, what we tried to launch would
have been useful if people (admins) actually patrolling uploads had
used it.<br>
Maybe it's a usability/interface issue of some kind, but it most
certainly is a kind of "sub-community building" issue.<br>
<br>
"Patrolled uploads" would just be a nice bonus, maybe.<br>
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Regards,<br>
Eusebius<br>
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">Hi Eusebius,</div>
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">Ah, indeed. I was wondering why
it listed so few new files (the link I gave earlier). Uploads do indeed
not get listed there. </div>
<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">Special:NewFiles does but
doesn't allow patrolling, I understand your request now.</div>
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">That project definitely needs
attention aswell.</div>
<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">I'll see if I can find a way to
"patrollise" that.</div>
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<div>Op 8 apr 2010, om 17:08 heeft Eusebius het volgende geschreven:</div>
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Hi,<br>
<br>
Thanks for your link.<br>
<br>
Apparently, this only shows the page creations without upload, like
before a Flickr upload bot action. "Standard" uploads do not seem to
show.<br>
Independently from this, even if a page could list all unpatrolled
uploads, I think it wouldn't be suitable, because (for the patrolled
edit be efficiently applied to recent uploads) a file upload should be
marked as patrolled/unpatrolled independently of the edits on the file
page. Indeed, recent edit patrollers will look for vandalism, and
recent uploads patrollers will look for copyright violations, bad
sources, missing permisions, etc. Depending on the experience and
"patrolling profile" of both kinds of patrollers, patrols can have very
different ("colliding") outcomes. This is why I suspect a different
notion could be justified for patrolled uploads.<br>
<br>
Here's what we tried to begin about recent uploads, for info: <a
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Recent_uploads_patrol">http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Recent_uploads_patrol</a><br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Eusebius<br>
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Krinkle a écrit :
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cite="mid:D97730BE-DE92-4981-9346-1B364627E9CD@gmail.com" type="cite">Hi Eusebius,<br>
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<div>There is actually something that is 99% like what you are
describing:</div>
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<div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NewPages&hidepatrolled=1&namespace=6">http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NewPages&hidepatrolled=1&namespace=6</a></span></div>
<div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>reversed: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NewPages&hidepatrolled=1&namespace=6&dir=prev">http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NewPages&hidepatrolled=1&namespace=6&dir=prev</a></div>
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<div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"></span>It's
the NewPage-patrol, with the namespace filter set to "File", which is
pretty much always an upload.</div>
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<div>(though theoraticly there could be uploads without a page,
and a page without an upload)</div>
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<div>Please note that, like any patrollable action the action
leaves the unpatrolled queue automaticly after 720 hours (30 days).</div>
<div>if you like, I could create a checklist-system for this
aswell.</div>
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<div>Op 8 apr 2010, om 16:38 heeft Eusebius het volgende
geschreven:</div>
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Hi,<br>
<br>
Thanks for this initiative. On my side I've significantly failed to
build something for recent uploads patrolling.<br>
Is there something like a patrolled upload on MediaWiki? Because I've
always found recent uploads more problematic than recent edits, and
being able to tell between patrolled and unpatrolled uploads would be
GREAT.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Eusebius<br>
<br>
Krinkle a écrit :
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<div id="magicdomid182">Hi everybody.</div>
<div id="magicdomid127"><br>
</div>
<div id="magicdomid211">First of all, for those of you
who haven't been here, or didn't get the complete picture, here is a
short summary of some recent events:</div>
<div id="magicdomid213"> * Last March, I started the Counter
Vandalism Unit on Commons <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Counter_Vandalism_Unit">http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Counter_Vandalism_Unit</a>></div>
<div id="magicdomid215"> * Later that month, the edit-patrol
function was enabled on Commons <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2010Mar#Marking_edits_as_patrolled">http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2010Mar#Marking_edits_as_patrolled</a>></div>
<div id="magicdomid727"> * After a Sitenotice, a few users
have signed up to be "patrollers"; and with a small team of 3 to 4
regular patrollers, we keep a checklist of anonymous edits. <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/COM:ANO#Anonymous_edits">http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/COM:ANO#Anonymous_edits</a>></div>
<div id="magicdomid133"><br>
</div>
<div id="magicdomid134"><br>
</div>
<div id="magicdomid828"><b>The Problem </b></div>
<div id="magicdomid829"><br>
</div>
<div id="magicdomid917">Vandalism on Commons is a
big problem, which generates a large backlog. Commons is the primary
media depository for most media used throughout Wikimedia. Vandalism on
Commons therefore has a greater likelihood of affecting local projects.</div>
<div id="magicdomid928">And, this also brings along the
source of vandalism: Vandals. </div>
<div id="magicdomid243">Local vandals are only a click away
from Commons. Some don't even realise they are no longer on the local
wiki.</div>
<div id="magicdomid940">Some, whether or not knowing they've
been blocked on a local project, continue vandalising on Commons.</div>
<div id="magicdomid141"><br>
</div>
<div id="magicdomid976">So, having that said, we are looking
for help !</div>
<div id="magicdomid974">The most important areas, for
now, are live watches on IRC or recent
changes, and the Checklists mentioned above.</div>
<div id="magicdomid144"><br>
</div>
<div id="magicdomid826"><b>Live watch</b></div>
<div id="magicdomid146"><br>
</div>
<div id="magicdomid980">For a long time Commons has it's own
cvn-channel on Freenode: #cvn-commons <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="irc://irc.freenode.net/#cvn-commons">irc://irc.freenode.net/#cvn-commons</a>>.</div>
<div id="magicdomid1031">Although there are about a dozen
idling users and a bot at any one time, use of the channel for
vandal-fighting is not as frequent as desired.</div>
<div id="magicdomid149"><br>
</div>
<div id="magicdomid150">Watching live is probably the easiest
and most effective way to fight vandalism.</div>
<div id="magicdomid1053">Also, for those who don't have the
time to patrol an entire daypart-checklist, this is a great way to
contribute when they only have a spare few minutes. One can leave and
join at any time, and click/patrol for all edits that are reported in
the channel.</div>
<div id="magicdomid152"><br>
</div>
<div id="magicdomid1061">In comparison to the checklists, the
CVN-channel has a couple of advantages. JelteBot (the recent-changes
bot in #cvn-commons) emphasises edits based on blacklists and
watchlists, making it easier to detect potential vandalism. (If you
monitor other channels too, you could add /Warning!/ to your
IRC-stalklist.)</div>
<div id="magicdomid154"><br>
</div>
<div id="magicdomid1159">So I recommend the "patroller" right
for anybody who wishes to participate, which you can ask for here: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Requests_for_rights">http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Requests_for_rights</a>. Please
feel free to join #cvn-commons, or Commons' main channel
#wikimedia-commons, for more information about other ways to get
involved.</div>
<div id="magicdomid1214">Every user in the counter-vandalism
channel, watching and reacting to the stream, reduces the backlog even
more.</div>
<div id="magicdomid157"><br>
</div>
<div id="magicdomid1250">Watching live means the user can be
reverted and warned directly; s/he will either get blocked if they
continue disruption, or (not unlikely) the vandal will stop when s/he
reads the warning.</div>
<div id="magicdomid159"><br>
</div>
<div id="magicdomid1259">Doing this live, instead of
afterwards, prevents more vandalism, and thus generate less edits in
the backlog.</div>
<div id="magicdomid161"><br>
</div>
<div id="magicdomid860"><b>Checklists</b></div>
<div id="magicdomid163"><br>
</div>
<div id="magicdomid164">Since it's unlikely (though the
impossible goal of Live watch) to click and patrol each and every link
in the IRC channel, lots of links are missed.</div>
<div id="magicdomid1269">Either because no-one was on watch,
or it got lost in the fast stream of links.</div>
<div id="magicdomid166"><br>
</div>
<div id="magicdomid1286">For that, we have the checklists.
These contain all unpatrolled anonymous edits from a certain time frame.</div>
<div id="magicdomid1274">These are, until we have
a much bigger team, the primary and most time-consuming ways of
fighting vandalism.</div>
<div id="magicdomid361"><br>
</div>
<div id="magicdomid1275">Also, when you can't access IRC, or
don't like it for some reason, the RecentChanges-page is a good
alternative:</div>
<div id="magicdomid1277">- <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&hidepatrolled=1&days=1&limit=50&hideliu=1&hidemyself=1">http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&hidepatrolled=1&days=1&limit=50&hideliu=1&hidemyself=1</a>></div>
<div id="magicdomid169"><br>
</div>
<div id="magicdomid1278">If you don't know how this
works, check the following links to get you up to speed:</div>
<div id="magicdomid171">- <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Patrol">http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Patrol</a></div>
<div id="magicdomid172">- <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Counter_Vandalism_Unit">http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Counter_Vandalism_Unit</a> (last
few headings on File and Tools)</div>
<div id="magicdomid173">- <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJXvZ65ttQ4">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJXvZ65ttQ4</a> (short
video tutorial on the CVU)</div>
<div id="magicdomid174"><br>
</div>
<div id="magicdomid175">Then visit the CVU and check out a
portion/day-part:</div>
<div id="magicdomid176"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/COM:ANO#Anonymous_edits">http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/COM:ANO#Anonymous_edits</a></div>
<div id="magicdomid177"><br>
</div>
<div id="magicdomid178"><br>
</div>
<div id="magicdomid1292">Thank you for reading,</div>
<div id="magicdomid1292"><br>
</div>
<div id="magicdomid652">Yours,</div>
<div id="magicdomid180">Krinkle</div>
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