Maybe I can give a bit of input from my experience at transferring images from pt.wikipedia to Commons. Local uploads were disabled last year on pt.wiki and from then on a slow, painstaking process of moving images to Commons has started. I don't know what I would do without CommonsHelper ;)<br>The question of which images would be good to transfer or not came about; naturally, people transferring images to Commons didn't want to end up in a "Commons blacklist" for uploading images without all the proper information.<br>So we turned into forming a task force to tackle the problem. All images were tagged with {{a verificar}} (to be verified), which put them in a category where people could go through and check such images. "People" in this context means a small group of users with good knowledge about licensing and such, including two Commons admins. Images deemed to be good to go to Commons were then tagged with {{move-to-commons}} which added the CommonsHelper button. It
has been mostly the same group of people transferring the images to Commons anyway.<br>So in this particular case, there was a double screening. It takes a LOT of time (it's a small task force), but we've had very little to no problems with such uploads.<br>The point is: maybe local wikis can develop processes of screening good images to upload to Commons and continue to inform/improve knowledge in local communities on the advantages of using Commons as a global repository, leaving local uploads only for fair use images and such (am I wrong or Icelandic Wikipedia did just this recently?)<br><br>Adding a category to a bot-uploaded image is good to have a further level of screening in Commons, in the end it's as Magnus has said: it's another upload to check anyway, regardless of who made it; the category will ease the screening, so thanks for that :)<br>Bots do wacky stuff sometimes too, and I certainly don't trust the Flickr uploads because of the licensing problems already
addressed before.<br><br>We still have a couple of hundreds of images to go on pt.wiki, so *yay to direct upload!* ;)<br>Sorry for the long message and for the (slight?) off-topic<br>Cheers,<br>Patrícia<br><br><b><i>Magnus Manske <magnusmanske@googlemail.com></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> On 10/17/07, samuli@samulilintula.net <samuli@samulilintula.net> wrote:<br>> > On 10/16/07, Samuli Lintula <samuli@samulilintula.net> wrote:<br>> >> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:15:26 +0300, Magnus Manske<br>> >> <magnusmanske@googlemail.com> wrote:<br>> >><br>> >> > OK, state of the union:<br>> >> > * WatchFlickr now adds {{flickrreview}} again<br>> >> > * CommonsHelper has a "direct upload" switch (off by default)<br>> >> > * Direct upload by CommonsHelper will add {{BotMoveToCommons}} with<br>> >>
> the appropriate source language, so things will end in subcategories<br>> >> > of [[Category:Files moved to Commons requiring review]]<br>> >> ><br>> >> > An example of how it looks:<br>> >> > http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image%3ARosemary_Clooneys_home_in_Augusta.jpg<br>> >><br>> >> I'm a bit lost in this conversation. Did any human review the license<br>> >> information and such before or right after the image was transferred to<br>> >> Commons?<br>> ><br>> > Well,<br>> > * /presumably/ it was checked when it was uploaded in the original<br>> > wikipedia<br>> > * /presumably/ the guy who transfers it checked (how else does he know<br>> > the name?)<br>> > * /presumably/ the guy who transfers it checks the end result<br>> > * /presumably/ the good people at commons check it when it is transfered<br>> ><br>> >
IMHO that's an improvement over the "normal" upload to commons ("oh, I<br>> > found a pretty image on the web, I'll upload it to commons!";-)...<br>> ><br>> > If the original wikipedia image has a valid license tag, how should<br>> > one check anyway? The obvious criteria are:<br>> > * Image is too large to be a thumbnail stolen from some webpage<br>> > * Image does not contain borders, logos, or "(c)" texts<br>> > * Image either has a source given (eg., nasa.gov), or<br>> > * looks amateurish enough to be made by the original uploader ;-)<br>> ><br>> > Yay for reasonable doubt!<br>><br>> Do I detect a bit of a mocking attitude here?<br><br>Just a little, maybe :-)<br><br>> I don't see any reason for<br>> that. Why would we want to lose a chance to check images that are being<br>> uploaded on Commons? It is very good practice that we check if source is<br>> provided, if the source seems
plausible, if permission is provided, if<br>> there is anything dubious about the image etc. We should try to check<br>> these things with fresh uploads and transfers from other projects.<br><br>Absolutely. And there's nothing to stop anyone from checking the<br>uploads through the bot account. They are no different from "normal"<br>uploads, except many (most?) of them will already have been checked on<br>a wikipedia, as well as by the "transferer", and they all have an<br>{{Information}} template.<br><br>> If we are to presume something, I presume that local projects have at<br>> least as many copyvios or sourceless/permissionless images as Commons.<br>> That is, within the range of 10-30 %.<br><br>Probably. But by that reasoning, even if we were to blindly transfer<br>every image from, say, en.wikipedia that has {{GFDL}} in it, 70-90% of<br>the uploads through the bot would be acceptable for commons. Is that<br>the case for "normal" uploads? I'd think that
the upload rate of<br>copyvios on commons through "normal" means will increase with the<br>popularity of the project.<br><br>I'm not saying that all images on en.wikipedia that are tagged<br>{{GFDL}} are good for commons. All I'm saying is that most of it is,<br>and that the average copyvio rate will likely be lower that what we<br>get through "normal" uploads. /Especially/ for en.wikipedia, where it<br>is (relatively) easy to call something "fair use" instead of GFDL, and<br>be done with it. Those won't even make it through CommonsHelper in the<br>first place.<br><br>Cheers,<br>Magnus<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Commons-l mailing list<br>Commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org<br>http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l<br></magnusmanske@googlemail.com></samuli@samulilintula.net></samuli@samulilintula.net></blockquote><br><p> 
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