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Tue Nov 27 09:44:25 UTC 2007

> Earlier: "... When I read this article [0]=20
> on "Telegraph", I knew I have seen the=20
> image before, somewhere [1]... I know=20
> this is not the first time nor the last this=20
> happens, I just wanted to highlight it,=20
> as I think it is one of the biggest=20
> newspapers in the UK.  I see no way=20
> to contact them *.  I suppose that, for=20
> some people, we are a just bunch of=20
> PD images... :-(
> [0]=20
<http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=3D/earth/2007/12/19/scis=
c
issors119.xml>=20
> [1]=20
<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Rock_paper_scissors.jpg>=20

Peter Blaise responds:

I concur - the telegraph.co.uk web site seems to crap out when trying to
make contact:
* "Contact us" at the bottom of the quoted web page returns:
* Sorry, the page you have requested is not available
Please try again later
* This error message may occur for a number of reasons:=20
We are unable to locate any more files relating to this subject
* The file may have been moved or deleted because it is out of date
* You may have followed a link from another web site that contains an
incorrect or out of date URL (web page address)
* You may have typed an incorrect URL into your browser
* There may be an error on the telegraph.co.uk site.=20

!!!

But I found on OTHER web sites the mention them:=20
"...contact the Telegraph via 020 7931 2076 or email:
photographs at telegraph.co.uk..."=20
so I imagine ANY name at telegraph.co.uk will work, such as
editor at telegraph.co.uk or webmaster at telegraph.co.uk and so on.  Try it.

The image in question has no identifying markers on it, or in it, that
indicate origin - EXIF and IPTC are empty.  So, if the image lands in
somebody's browser cache on their own PC, then it will be brought up in
their (free) Picasa / Google drive self-search with nothing more
identifying it than this type of location:

C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Local Settings\Temporary
Internet Files\Content.IE5\RICPZFAU\Rock_paper_scissors[1].jpg

Where did it come from?  The computer doesn't know!  But, that's where
the image is on MY hard drive, and that's where my Picasa found it after
I browsed, and maybe the contributor to the Commons found it in THEIR
Picasa web cache display before they uploaded it?!?  No origin.  No
source identifier.  Nothing. Nada.  Zilch.

Until we learn to mark the Commons image files internally, and on their
face, with at least a source identifier, Commons (and ANY image on the
Internet) is acting like a free-for-all PD Public Domain farm.

Also, unless the image contains something that actively engages the
image in a copyright management system (DRM Digital Rights Management),
then there is also no chance of successfully prosecuting anyone for
tampering with it to remove source and copyright information.

What's the problem here?  What's the goal?  What's your point?  Do we
want them to credit Commons as the source?  Do we want them to not use
the image if there is a profit transaction?  Do we want them to
negotiate republishing rights with the original copyright holder?  Do we
want them to explicitly state the image source and that it is free for
anyone else to redistribute, and it is NOT part of their own copyright
on the rest of their publication?  What?  What is your point, what do
you want the telegraph.co.uk to have done?

What do we want the Commons http://commons.wikimedia.org/ to do?  Auto
EXIF / IPTC / DRM / watermark anyone?=20

We're collecting a boatload of resources to freely share with the world.
I'm not sure I understand if there was even a problem pointed to in the
original post.