<div dir="ltr">I have a question for all of you here, which is not specific to NN, but is about the evolution of the internet:<div>Do you believe that there should be "public space" on the internet, available to all as the basic right, for no access charge. Things like: government info, medical, social services, 911?<br>
<div>Thanks all!</div></div><div>Lila</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Jens Best <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jens.best@wikimedia.de" target="_blank">jens.best@wikimedia.de</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">Hi Eric</p>
<p dir="ltr">I re-watched it, too. I'm on road now, so I will answer later in detail why it is still insulting and why the misleading and plain wrong use of “slow/fast lane“ and an ellegibly “wider concept of net neutrality“ is - unconsciously or consciously - misleading.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Jens</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">Am 12.08.2014 19:30 schrieb "Erik Moeller" <<a href="mailto:erik@wikimedia.org" target="_blank">erik@wikimedia.org</a>>:<div><div class="h5"><br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 6:32 PM, Jens Best <<a href="mailto:jens.best@wikimedia.de" target="_blank">jens.best@wikimedia.de</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> According to the press Patricio Lorente, member of the Foundation's board,<br>
> said:<br>
><br>
> "Access to information is a basic human right. If net neutrality is hurting<br>
> a human right, we have to rethink net neutrality."<br>
<br>
Dear Jens,<br>
<br>
This is not what Patricio said. Thanks to him for linking to the<br>
relevant segment of the video. Here is a full transcript:<br>
<br>
"In the last couple of weeks, it's [sic] been some debate about<br>
Wikipedia Zero and whether it conflicts with the concept of net<br>
neutrality .. and .. my opinion is that net neutrality refers<br>
specifically or mostly to the fact that some services or some ..<br>
certain companies are trying to pay to use what is called the fast<br>
lane, lanes of the Internet. If there are fast lanes, there are also<br>
slow lanes, and that's not the Internet we want, we completely reject<br>
that possibility. In this sense, we completely support the concept of<br>
net neutrality. But when going to Wikipedia Zero, we are not going ..<br>
we are not talking about fast or slow, we are talking about people who<br>
is outside the road(?) at all .. so what we are trying, is to give<br>
them access to a basic human right, which is access to information and<br>
knowledge. And .. I know some people don't agree with this opinion<br>
because they have a wider notion of net neutrality. And, I'm sorry,<br>
but my opinion is quite different. If our concept of net neutrality<br>
prevents us to secure human rights then we should revise the concept<br>
of net neutrality."<br>
<br>
This makes it clear that:<br>
<br>
- Patricio's opinion as expressed was clearly nuanced, and explicitly<br>
acknowledged that reasonable people can disagree on the matter. In<br>
turn I have a hard time seeing how a reasonable person would be<br>
offended by how it was stated. If you're going mostly off the <a href="http://heise.de" target="_blank">heise.de</a><br>
report, though, please make sure you read the full statement above or<br>
watch the video Patricio linked to.<br>
<br>
- The <a href="http://heise.de" target="_blank">heise.de</a> news article misquoted Patricio, since in context it is<br>
clear that he strongly supported a basic principle of net neutrality,<br>
but not necessarily an expanded notion that may conflict with<br>
right-to-knowledge objectives. The words "our concept of" are pretty<br>
important to the meaning of what he said and were omitted in<br>
translation, alongside the full context of his statement.<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
Erik<br>
<br>
--<br>
Erik Möller<br>
VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation<br>
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