<div dir="ltr">We as WMDE have not yet written a formal position on this special subject, but be assured that net neutrality is a very important subject for us.<div><br></div><div>Jens</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-08-03 22:09 GMT+02:00 effe iets anders <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:effeietsanders@gmail.com" target="_blank">effeietsanders@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">resending, as it seems this message never arrived.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-08-02 10:37 GMT+02:00 Lodewijk <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lodewijk@effeietsanders.org" target="_blank">lodewijk@effeietsanders.org</a>></span>:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">Hi Jens,<br>
Just out of curiosity for clarification, given your Praesidium signature: are you engaging this discussion strongly from your personal interest, or did WMDE create a position on this issue be it formally or not?</p>
<p dir="ltr">Thanks, lodewijk</p><div><div class="h5"><div><div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Aug 2, 2014 1:34 AM, "Jens Best" <<a href="mailto:jens.best@wikimedia.de" target="_blank">jens.best@wikimedia.de</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">Well,<div><br></div><div>my first repsonse to Erics text:</div><div><br></div><div>a lot of words, a lot of "believing in this & that", some emotional storytelling - but nothing on the simple fact that any zero-rating is a clear violation of net neutrality. </div>
<div><br></div><div>So, is this supposed to be the opening of a discussion? For me this text doesn't sound like that any discussion with an open result is possible or even welcomed. </div><div><br></div><div>This text is in clear contradiction to the recent statement of EFF. So is the Foundation willingly trying to violate one of the basic principles of an open web just to be part of the Facebook Zero, Google Zero, Coke Zero - Group? Is the foundation really that naive to not see that this way it becomes part of the marketing machine of access providers to deteriorate user habits?</div>
<div><br></div><div>So, as a net neutrality advocate somebody has to ask him-/herself if he/she really wants to participate in a discussion which result is already determined. What is EFF saying to this clear violation of net neutrality by WMF? </div>
<div><br></div><div>best regards</div><div><br></div><div>Jens Best</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-08-02 0:48 GMT+02:00 Yana Welinder <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ywelinder@wikimedia.org" target="_blank">ywelinder@wikimedia.org</a>></span>:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi all, <div><br></div><div>I wanted to follow up on the discussion on Wikipedia Zero and net neutrality on this list. We just posted a discussion on this topic: <a href="https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/08/01/wikipedia-zero-and-net-neutrality-protecting-the-internet/" target="_blank">https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/08/01/wikipedia-zero-and-net-neutrality-protecting-the-internet/</a></div>
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