<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Hi James, <br><br></div>of course Free Knowledge doesn't appear in an empty space and relies on the society and culture it "lives" in. Free Knowledge, in turn, also has the power to bring about meaningful changes to said society.<br>
<br></div><div>Can you propose any specific project that is in line with the strategy, mission and vision of our movement that will directly improve the economic and physiological health of our editor pool? If yes, please share!<br>
</div><div><br></div>If not, I would suggest that we stick to what we're good at - changing the world by changing the way knowledge is shared. This is where our expertise lies and where we can really contribute. And it also directly affects the economic situation of our editor pool (e.g. saving money on textbooks, more free time due to quick and easy access to information).<br>
<br></div>Cheers,<br>Dimi<br><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/11/27 James Salsman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jsalsman@gmail.com" target="_blank">jsalsman@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">The idea that the economic and physiological health of the editor pool isn't a large determinant of the proportion choosing to edit, if not the largest that we may have any meaningful control over after everything we've tried so far, simply does not seem defensible. What does it mean to empower a potential editor with the ability to share knowledge, if their circumstances leave them without the inclination to do so? That is the difference between empowering and merely enabling, is it not? A slightly more complete encyclopedia with society crumbling around it is not an improvement over a less complete encyclopedia in symbiosis with a flourishing society.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 27, 2013 6:14 PM, "L.Gelauff" <<a href="mailto:lgelauff@gmail.com" target="_blank">lgelauff@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">Dear James,<div><br></div><div>You keep amazing me with the topics you bring up on this list. It might be just that I'm utterly naive and not understanding what Wikimedia is all about, but I seriously have a hard time seeing a connection at all with our mission - let alone how any serious impact could be achieved or how this could become a priority. </div>
<div><br></div><div>While we all have political opinions on 'the big issues' (well, most of us) I think that almost everyone agrees that Wikimedia should refrain from taking a stand on issues not directly related with its mission. Even on issues like net neutrality, the use of free software in government or software patents there is a serious concern with many of our volunteers that we should not get involved with those discussions. </div>
<div><br></div><div>So please, lets focus on what we're good at and where we can have a real impact. That is hard enough on itself. I would appreciate it if you could ask yourself more critically whether something you post would really support our mission, before you post it. While there are no stupid questions, some restraint can help in being taken seriously rather than being considered trolling. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Kind regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Lodewijk</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/11/27 James Salsman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jsalsman@gmail.com" target="_blank">jsalsman@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I agree an international approach would be best, but at the same time,<br>
[1] and [2] seriously limit the number and capabilities of would-be,<br>
active, and inactive volunteer editors.<br>
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[1] <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/among-american-workers-poll-finds-unprecedented-anxiety-about-jobs-economy/2013/11/25/fb6a5ac8-5145-11e3-a7f0-b790929232e1_story.html" target="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/among-american-workers-poll-finds-unprecedented-anxiety-about-jobs-economy/2013/11/25/fb6a5ac8-5145-11e3-a7f0-b790929232e1_story.html</a><br>
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[2] <a href="http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2013/11/america-stingiest-rich-country-world" target="_blank">http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2013/11/america-stingiest-rich-country-world</a><br>
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Is it even possible to take a truly international approach to the<br>
underlying issue? I hope so, but I fear that any such approach will be<br>
more Kumbaya than active or effective problem solving.<br>
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On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Raul Veede <<a href="mailto:raul.veede@gmail.com" target="_blank">raul.veede@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Seriously, none of these. I'm completely satisfied with my job, I like my<br>
> boss a lot and although my pay is not much, I don't believe any spree of<br>
> activism in U.S. ("Every two weeks, our volunteers telephone targeted U.S.<br>
> government decision makers...blah blah" <a href="http://incomeaction.org" target="_blank">http://incomeaction.org</a>) would give<br>
> more money for spending to my local government in Estonia. It may come as a<br>
> surprise, but not everybody on Earth is American. Don't get me wrong, U.S.<br>
> is all nice and fluffy, but Wikimedia movement is global. Let's focus on<br>
> that.<br>
><br>
> Raul<br>
><br>
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> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 6:13 PM, James Salsman <<a href="mailto:jsalsman@gmail.com" target="_blank">jsalsman@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Which would help volunteer editors more:<br>
>> <a href="http://www.fixmyjob.com/" target="_blank">http://www.fixmyjob.com/</a><br>
>> or<br>
>> <a href="http://incomeaction.org/" target="_blank">http://incomeaction.org/</a><br>
>> assuming the latter was completed?<br>
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