<p dir="ltr">Thanks Geoff. I'll try to find time on Saturday to read more about it and will reply again if I have more questions, but I think it worth to write more detailed email about it to wider audience to clarify this sensitive issues. I know many chapters talk eith us on the last year to get tips on lobbying and legislation and we been asked to present it on next Wikimania. I think that if for me it wasn't so clear, and i'm member and read almost every email on all the non-tech lists (yeah, i need a shrink, i know) so i guess many others don't know it also.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Itzik</p>
<p dir="ltr">- Sent from my mobile device</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Dec 20, 2012 7:34 PM, "Geoff Brigham" <<a href="mailto:gbrigham@wikimedia.org">gbrigham@wikimedia.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I will save Stephen here. :)<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 8:30 AM, Itzik Edri <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:itzik@infra.co.il" target="_blank">itzik@infra.co.il</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">Thanks Stephen<div><br></div><div>It's interesting issue and I don't know how many chapters or people from the FDC\GAC are members here, so it may be better to have it also in a wider community.</div>
<div><br></div><div>1. Why there is diffrent between what allow under money that comes from the FDC and the GAC? I thought the problem is the WMF finance something that is not legal under the U.S law - but it both of the cases the money come from the same source.</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Under U.S. law, we are required to track grant money for legislative activities (some of which are permitted within certain IRS defined parameters). The Grants Program is used for project specific grants for such legislative activities; grants under that program are easier for us to track for U.S. IRS purposes. The IRS is strict about this and we need to ensure close control on the use of the money. The Grants Program provides that mechanism. Chapters cannot use WMF grant money for legislative activities without approval from WMF (and that approval is provided through the Grants Program). Before approving such a grant, WMF needs to ensure the grants fall within the tolerated parameters.</div>
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<div><br></div><div>2. "<span><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif">Grants for such activities (when permitted under U.S. law and IRS regulations)" - so, back again to the question - if in IL is legal to NGO and non profit NGO to support lobbying such as what we did, and you say that according to the U.S law - it's not allow - it mean that also the GAC is not allow to finance it? </font></span> </div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>As the IRS links demonstrate (which Stephen sent out), non-profits can engage in some limited legislative activities but that engagement must be within certain parameters (including financial thresholds). WMF is required to track the use of such grants for IRS purposes. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Hope that helps, Itzik. </div><div><br></div><div>Take care, </div><div><br></div><div>Geoff </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div><br></div><div>Itzik</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Stephen LaPorte <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:slaporte@wikimedia.org" target="_blank">slaporte@wikimedia.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 7:48 AM, Itzik Edri <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:itzik@infra.co.il" target="_blank">itzik@infra.co.il</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div><div class="gmail_quote"><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Amgine, Of course the US law not apply on IL, but every entity that get budget from the FDC confirm that he will not be involve in politics lobbing. It seem that what is not consider political lobbing in Israel is consider true in US, so we need to see that we not clash with the FDC rules.</blockquote>
<div><br></div></div><div>FDC funds may not be used for political campaign activity or lobbying, but lobbying activity may be covered by project grants from the GAC or other funding sources. Here is the line on the FDC request form:</div>
<div><br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">The term “political or legislative activities” includes any activities relating to political campaigns or candidates (including the contribution of funds and the publication of position statements relating to political campaigns or candidates); voter registration activities; meetings with or submissions and petitions to government executives, ministers, officers or agencies on political or policy issues; and any other activities seeking government intervention or policy implementation (like “lobbying”), whether directed toward the government or the community or public at large. Grants for such activities (when permitted under U.S. law and IRS regulations) should be sought from the GAC.</blockquote>
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div></div></blockquote><a href="http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Funds_Dissemination_Committee/Grant_application_form" target="_blank">http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Funds_Dissemination_Committee/Grant_application_form</a> <div>
<br></div><div>See also <a href="http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Funds_Dissemination_Committee/Framework_for_the_Creation_and_Initial_Operation_of_the_FDC#General_versus_project_funding" target="_blank">http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Funds_Dissemination_Committee/Framework_for_the_Creation_and_Initial_Operation_of_the_FDC#General_versus_project_funding</a><div>
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