I know this won't be an issue with the month calendar template that I wrote at Wikipedia [1], but will this possibly break Trần Thế Trung's very complex Viet->IPA converter at Wiktionary [2]? It probably doesn't, but we should make sure: since Tim Starling isn't going to make this change for a few days, we have time to subst: the template if anything will get broken. [1] http://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ti%C3%AAu_b%E1%BA%A3n:L%E1%BB% 8Bch_th%C3%A1ng_n%C3%A0y [2] http://vi.wiktionary.org/wiki/Ti%C3%AAu_b%E1%BA%A3n:VieIPA -- Minh Nguyen &lt;mxn(a)zoomtown.com&gt; AIM: trycom2000; Jabber: mxn(a)myjabber.net; Blog: http://mxn.f2o.org/ From: Tim Starling <t.starling-JAjqph6Yjy +R5oW9C2NzqLs0Z2mYlMph(a)public.gmane.org&gt; Date: 10 August 2006 5:26:33 AM Cc: wikitech-l-AeOJrEpdGNeGglJvpFV4uA(a)public.gmane.org Subject: Comprehensive template expansion size limit Reply-To: wikipedia-l-T31ubCBy5U6GglJvpFV4uA(a)public.gmane.org I have in my working copy a set of changes introducing a comprehensive template expansion size limit. The limit is configurable (by $wgMaxArticleSize), and will probably be set to 1 MB on Wikimedia. This prevents a number of DoS vulnerabilities, such as the exponential argument substitution attack that we've known about for some time. The output size of template expansion has long been limited to 1MB, limiting several attacks. But it was possible to evade this limit by forcing the parser to parse a large chunk of text, and then throwing away the result, say by putting it into an unused template parameter. The new behaviour is to limit both the pre-expansion size and the post-expansion size. This may break some articles, that's why I'm posting this to wikipedia-l. In particular, it will break articles which use {{#switch}} or similar constructs to extract many small fragments of text from large pseudo-databases. This practice is extremely inefficient, and I'd very much like to see it discontinued on the editorial level. This feature will probably only break the most flagrant cases, where article parse times were in the tens of seconds. I'm sure the other developers would agree -- we would be very grateful if the remaining cases could be dealt with by policy, as much as possible. I've been having a discussion with some Wikipedians along these lines at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:TransLink_(South_East_Queensland) _services When the limit is hit, there will be HTML comments in the parser output indicating the problem. For all articles which use more than 1KB of templates, there will be an HTML comment at the bottom of the parser output showing how close the article is to the size limit. This allows technically capable users to monitor and optimise the expansion size of their templates. At this stage I would like to invite comments. The we can move forward to a trial, perhaps in a few days, if there are no objections. -- Tim Starling _______________________________________________ Wikivi-l mailing list Wikivi-l(a)mail.wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikivi-l