Frances makes a good point, and now I'm thinking about the different
scenarios we're talking about. There are two big ones:
1) A has a policy or editing dispute with B and they just sort of get on
each other's nerves a lot, so they try to avoid seeing each other's edits,
talk page messages, and so on. This is like what svetlana originally
brought up. I agree with Brandon that in this case users should use their
willpower to skim, ignore, or avoid reminders of each other. This is kind
of like how one avoids one's ex at a party.
2) X consistently makes anti-[insert group here] comments that marginalize,
belittle, and demean Y, and the wiki's community is not getting X to stop
or otherwise backing up Y's right to participate in the community. In this
intimidating atmosphere, Y tries to ignore seeing X's talk page messages
and edit summaries. Here, there's clearly been a failure of community
moderation - no moderation techniques
http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Moderation are being employed, and/or
people are mistakenly saying "don't feed the trolls"
http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Don%27t_feed_the_trolls . The process of
improving a community's level of hospitality takes time; while we're doing
that, it would be nice to give Y some respite from seeing X's comments.
Danny Horn, in
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Flow#Components_of_the_discussion_system I
see that in Flow, "Users will also have the ability to delete/suppress
entire threads," which is good, and that Flow will tie into AbuseFilter for
spam prevention. I'd like to ask more questions about moderation and
self-care possibilities in Flow; let me know where I should ask those (the
design list, a different list, the Flow talkpage on
mediawiki.org,
elsewhere).
Sumana Harihareswara
Senior Technical Writer
Wikimedia Foundation
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Frances Hocutt <frances.hocutt(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 9:01 AM, Brandon Harris
<bharris(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
Ignoring people by actually ignoring
people tends to work pretty
well.
This depends on your background, your history with them, and why you
are ignoring them. I'm more likely to just leave a discussion than to
scroll past sexist/homophobic/transphobic arguments so I can continue
engaging with other people I have more common ground with. Reading the
beginning and scrolling past stuff like that stresses me out and makes
it not worth my time or energy to stay.
-Frances
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