don't do that. I didn't mean that. I don't believe in voting. Actually I am not so sure about what is more democratic system. I said the system of wikipedia should be more democratic because it seems to me that the decision about the wikipedia system doesn't reflect well the opinion among the majority of wikipedians, if not totally. First, simply really few people subscribe this mailing list. Second, changes are somewhat invisible. Basically there is no announcement about the changes. For example, new text for new pages. (Forget the talk pages or Village pump. They exist for conversation not for announcement) I don't want to mean people who have access to CVS should speak more (I am implying Brion). I am saying we should make the management (including decision-making) more visible and closer to oridanly wikipedians. Sure, now people dicuss in Village pump or some send direct message to Brion personally in his talk page. But it is not the democracy in the essence. Wikipedia is great because not only it is free, open-content but also because it is democratic. People made decision in their own. People go where they want to go without discussion. The important distinction is wikipedia is the place where not the rulers listen to people's demands but all of people rule. Sorry I am just talking about something abstract. But this is why I felt the management should be more democratic. And again I don't know practical way. Developing wikipedia system in wiki? I don't know. Sure, it is usuall that the system of the site changes suddenly. Think of amazon.com or google. They are not democratic. But we can do better. Oh, anyway, can we set up the wikipedia for developing? Like hacker.wikipedia.org I like to document more information about the wikipedia software and also it would be nice if there is the place the developers find the tasks wikipedias want and exchange brainstorms. (Well, there is sourceforge. But no one is using it anyway. Most of stuff in sourceforge seems outdated like bug reports several months ago) Again, I don't want to blame anyone. I just hope the system of wikipedia is as good as the articles of wikipedia. (Sorry pieter. I prefer hacker to developer. hehe)