Here's a Wikipedia article. There is an error. There is the edit link. Now I click the edit link. It's five seconds after the page has been displayed. Now some Javascript kicks in, that runs 5 seconds after the page first appeared. And it moves the edit link sideways, so instead I click the history link. What!? Can this stop, please? I have already disabled all personal Javascript and all gadgets. I run Firefox 3.6.13 on Ubuntu Linux 10.10 on a netbook/laptop with only moderate background load and plenty of RAM. Many users would have less powerful setups. If Javascript needs to run very late in the page loading process (why?), could it please refrain from rearranging layout elements of the page? It's like a little flea circus doing its tricks for 7-8 seconds after the page loads. I have to sit on my hands, not touching anything until the fleas get tired and stop. All this "usability" and the steward election banner that needs to pop-up before it hides, is soooo very tiring. I got firebug installed, to study the timing of a loading page. When I reload a page, so all elements are in caches, the first parts including geoip lookup take 60 ms. Then the first images load at +2 seconds. I have no idea what makes it take 2 seconds before the first image is loaded. All images load really fast. Later, after a gap, ext.vector.collapsibleNav, -Tabs, editWarning, and simpleSearch start loading at +4.5 seconds. Without other running programs, these times shrink to +1 and +2.5 seconds. But there are still inexplicably long gaps between elements. If all images are loaded after 1.4 seconds, why does collapsibleNav start loading at +2.5? This Javascript is going to rearrange the left margin menu, so I'm likely to hit the wrong link when I want to click there. --   Lars Aronsson (lars(a)aronsson.se)   Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l