On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 01:05, Roan Kattouw &lt;roan.kattouw(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: I already saw that bug and i hope that it will be solved soon. In the meantime i can live without a full-blown RTL Commons, but it's very important that file upload forms will work well and that it will possible to have a basic conversation on a user talk page. (I shall temporarily presume that serious conversations will be in English.) Many Hebrew-speaking Wikipedians have useful free images to upload, but are intimidated by confusing forms which are either in Legalese-English or in Broken-RTL-Hebrew. Lately i've been translating templates, messages and policy pages there and in the worst case it's possible to set a page to be <div dir="rtl">, but it's more complicated with the forms. Now it actually seems that the forms are OK, but other important parts of the interface are broken. Do these things have to go together? Is it possible to at least have the forms as they are now and to have the rest of the interface not broken? -- אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי Amir Elisha Aharoni http://aharoni.wordpress.com "We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace." - T. Moore

Mediawiki provides no real support for truly multilingual wikis at all. Despite the fact that the prominent multilingual wikis Commons and Meta are around since 2004 and 2001 respectively. Making Mediawiki truly multilingual is a heavy task. There are at least a dozen things that come up in my mind where Mediawiki sucks multilinguality-wise. But a simple first starting step would be to create a global variable like "$wgMultilingualWiki = true/false" and if it is set to true the content language will automatically be set to the language set in the preferences. That will remove several problems like the wrong tab order for RTL languages or the fact that {{PLURAL: }} doesn't work correctly for any language with a different plural structure than English. Marcus Buck User:Slomox

On 3 April 2010 20:53, Ilmari Karonen &lt;nospam(a)vyznev.net&gt; wrote: In my opinion that's the wrong way. We do not want to hack individually the syntax of every language dependent magic word. There should be a way to tag the language of whole blocks of text and the parser should be made aware of it. We should do the tagging already on the basis that marking up correctly the language of everything is the right thing to do. -Niklas -- Niklas Laxström

2010/4/3 Naoko Komura &lt;nkomura(a)wikimedia.org&gt;rg>: Addressing this problem properly is tricky and will take some time (I personally think it's a task our team should take on after the Stanton grant expires), but it shouldn't be very difficult to come up with a quick JS hack that reverses the tab order. I should repeat this is not an issue specific to Vector: when viewing Commons in Monobook with an RTL user language, you're basically seeing an LTR interface with a pile of hacks on top of it to make it look like RTL. It's just that these hacks are less complete for Vector, and also more difficult because of certain layout differences between Monobook and Vector. Roan Kattouw (Catrope)