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Quim Gil

30 Jan 2013 30 Jan '13

6:20 p.m.

This Sunday at FOSDEM I will have a lightning session at FOSDEM: How to hack on Wikipedia It is in fact an intro to MediaWiki & Wikimedia tech contributions, designed to be reusable and customized by others for other occasions. I just uploaded a new version at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:How_to_hack_on_Wikipedia.pdf Still working on details & credits. Your feedback is welcome! -- Quim Gil Technical Contributor Coordinator @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil

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Amir E. Aharoni

30 Jan 30 Jan

6:43 p.m.

2013/1/30 Quim Gil <qgil(a)wikimedia.org>rg>:

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I just uploaded a new version at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:How_to_hack_on_Wikipedia.pdf Still working on details & credits. Your feedback is welcome!

Very, very nice. A few comments: * I'm happy to see translatewiki.net mentioned. Consider also mentioning: 1. The number of languages into which the software is translated - over 300, probably more than any other piece of software. 2. A lot of unique internationalization features that we support thanks to being so massively multilingual - plural, gender, custom grammar rules, mostly automatic RTL adjustment, script conversion for Chinese, Serbian and some other languages, web fonts, web-based keyboard layouts and then some. * Page 8 - JavaScript is usually spelled in CamelCase. Also on JavaScript - ResourceLoader is probably worth mentioning, even though it's not so new. * Page 9 - Consider mentioning Firefox OS in addition to Android and iOS. Brion and Patrick already poked in that direction. (And well, it's a FLOSS conference, but since you mention iOS, consider mentioning the Windows Mobile app too.) * Page 11 - some other programming languages lurk in extensions, too, like OCaml (Math), Perl (EasyTimeline) and Lua (Scribunto). There are people who are quite passionate about each of them - they'll be happy to hear them mentioned and may want to join the development because of this. * Page 12 - I suspect that the LOC count includes translations :) -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬

Quim Gil

8:29 p.m.

On 01/30/2013 10:43 AM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:

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1. The number of languages into which the software is translated - over 300

Citation needed. ;) Yes let's add that number but all the better if we can have an exact number and the source to update it.

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2. A lot of unique internationalization features that we support thanks to being so massively multilingual - plural, gender, custom grammar rules, mostly automatic RTL adjustment, script conversion for Chinese, Serbian and some other languages, web fonts, web-based keyboard layouts and then some.

Won't fit in the slides but I'm adding this to the notes. Very useful!

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Also on JavaScript - ResourceLoader is probably worth mentioning, even though it's not so new.

We have already enough pieces exposed for a 10min session. Probably not an entry point either.

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* Page 9 - Consider mentioning Firefox OS in addition to Android and iOS. Brion and Patrick already poked in that direction. (And well, it's a FLOSS conference, but since you mention iOS, consider mentioning the Windows Mobile app too.)

I asked Brion about the main focus. He mentioned Android and iOS. This is also how it looks like when you come from the outside. I'd rather explain this story and encourage others to cover all the rest. (Don't get me wrong: I don't use any of these and in fact my pocket is ready for Peak whenever it goes on sale). :)

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* Page 11 - some other programming languages lurk in extensions, too, like OCaml (Math), Perl (EasyTimeline) and Lua (Scribunto). There are people who are quite passionate about each of them - they'll be happy to hear them mentioned and may want to join the development because of this.

Agreed, and I will add to the notes data from https://www.ohloh.net/p/mediawiki-extensions-wmf/analyses/latest/languages_…

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* Page 12 - I suspect that the LOC count includes translations :)

Any better number? This one comes from https://www.ohloh.net/p/mediawiki Thank you for the fast & detailed feedback! -- Quim Gil Technical Contributor Coordinator @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil

Siebrand Mazeland (WMF)

8:38 p.m.

Op 30 jan. 2013 om 21:29 heeft Quim Gil <qgil(a)wikimedia.org> het volgende geschreven:

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On 01/30/2013 10:43 AM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:

1. The number of languages into which the software is translated - over 300

Citation needed. ;) Yes let's add that number but all the better if we can have an exact number and the source to update it.

https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:MessageGroupStats/core would be and authoratitive source. Siebrand

Brion Vibber

10:35 p.m.

On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Quim Gil <qgil(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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On 01/30/2013 10:43 AM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:

Indeed our primary focus is on Android and iOS right now, as we're a small team and that's where the users are. I would love to hear from people interested in helping create & maintain apps for Firefox OS, BlackBerry 10, and Windows Phone 8, but we've got limited resources ourselves. Note that we do have a Firefox OS app in the Marketplace (thanks to Patrick, Rob Moen, and a bunch of awesome folks at the Bangalore DevCamp for work on that!). I hope to continue to improve it in my research time but we have no resources officially allocated to maintaining either Firefox OS or the Windows 8/RT tablet apps. Right now we're doing a big push on native apps for Commons upload tools for iOS and Android; we're getting good contributions from the community so far with a few interested folks sending in patches. These apps will eventually integrate campaign functionality replacing the HTML/JS-based Wiki Loves Monument app we did last year. Somewhere in the next few months we'll move on to redoing our current HTML/JS-based Wikipedia apps as native apps as well; again unless priorities change the main focus will be on Android and iOS. -- brion

Zaki Akhmad

31 Jan 31 Jan

7:42 a.m.

On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 5:35 AM, Brion Vibber <brion(a)pobox.com> wrote:

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Indeed our primary focus is on Android and iOS right now, as we're a small team and that's where the users are.

I just installed Wikipedia iOS ap. BTW, is it possible to logged in (and doing edit) with Wikipedia iOS app? Regards, -- Zaki Akhmad

Brion Vibber

3:28 p.m.

On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Zaki Akhmad <zakiakhmad(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 5:35 AM, Brion Vibber <brion(a)pobox.com> wrote:

Indeed our primary focus is on Android and iOS right now, as we're a

small

team and that's where the users are.

I just installed Wikipedia iOS ap. BTW, is it possible to logged in (and doing edit) with Wikipedia iOS app?

Not yet -- we hope to get that in in a couple months though. :) We do have some initial editing features in the beta mode on the mobile web site for now... -- brion

Chris McMahon

30 Jan 30 Jan

7:31 p.m.

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Still working on details & credits. Your feedback is welcome!

It would be great if you could mention browser test automation explicitly on page 4, especially since Zeljko is giving a talk on the subject at FOSDEM Saturday: https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/event/testing_mediawiki/

Niklas Laxström

31 Jan 31 Jan

10:32 a.m.

On 30 January 2013 20:20, Quim Gil <qgil(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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I've noticed people tend get a wrong impression when we talk about API (they think it is something internal to MediaWiki) and hence I've started calling it WebAPI to make it more explicit. -Niklas -- Niklas Laxström

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Amir E. Aharoni
Brion Vibber
Chris McMahon
Niklas Laxström
Quim Gil
Siebrand Mazeland (WMF)
Zaki Akhmad