There are two different manners to read the Wikimedia list; - As an ordinary e-mail discussion list - As a newsgroup To read the lists like a usenet newsgroup... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsgroup ...you need a "newsreader". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsreader You /can/ use Outlook Express for this. All posting are also send to gmane.org, a mail-to-usenet gateway. To use it; You must specify the NNTP-server news.gmane.org at your newsreader. Sarch for the "wikipedia" and "wikimedia" groups. See; http://news.gmane.org/?match=wikipedia http://news.gmane.org/?match=wikimedia All Wikipedia/Media lists are listed (so far I know) New lists! nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.mediawiki nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.legal nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.mediawiki.bugs For posting to a newsgroup you must be a list member of that list. The first time you post to the newsgroup you will receive an email for verification of your email address, which is normal. If you work by means of the newsgroup you probably no longer wants to receive the messages by email. To disable email delivery go to "Edit Options" of the mailing list. htt://mail.wikipedia.org Now whit the new Mailman version you can disabel delivery for all subribed Wikimedia lists. Gmane options; - A email address that is posted on gmane will be "encrypted". It looks like this wikipedia-l=T31ubCBy5U6GglJvpFV4uA @ public.gmane.org This is a anti-spam function. When you send a email to a encrypted email address you will recieve a auto request for confirmation the first time you use that address befor delivery of the email. - Gmane respects the X-No-Archive, Archive and X-Archive headers. These headers allow users to say how long Gmane should store messages. A expired message will still exist in the normal list archive. This works only when you include those headers in the posting. - cancel; if you post a message to a list by use of gmane you can "cancel" it like on usenet. This is not a good idea to do this. When canceled it is gone from the gmane newsserver and archive but you *can not* un-send a email. All normal list users will have recieved you posting. Please do not email gmane to ask to remove your posting from there archive, the do not like it (i noticed, Ed, it is removed) Notice to the list admins; please put a notice about gmane on your list infopage and/or the "welcome email" Walter