OK - if I'm reading the current thread right I think we are chasing a red herring with 24.42.43.3. Let me be crystal clear here: The user known as '24' used the IP 24.150.61.63 when he was banned many months ago NOT 24.42.43.3. I have only had dealings with 142.177.xxx.xxx NOT 24.42.43.3. I'm not sure why 24.42.43.3 was listed on my talk page (I think they were tag teaming on a talk page). But just because 24.42.43.3 is not '24' doesn't mean that 142.177.xxx.xxx isn't. It was Axel who first brought the '24'/142 connection to my attention so he would probably be a better person to explain the connection. Here is '24's "user page": http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:24.150.61.63 --mav The writing style, choice of terminology, political bias, and using unneeded "w" links on talk pages of 142 is very similar to '24.' What is more telling is that both 24.150.61.63 and 142.177.104.168 seem be from the Toronto area (at least they both use Toronto hops). But then half of Canada could be using those same hops as far as I know. But on the face of it it does look like '24' has simply changed ISPs. There are too many coincidences to discount. Whois lookup for 24.150.61.63 (indicates IP is from the Toronto area) http://network-tools.com/default.asp?prog=express&Netnic=whois.arin.net… Whois lookup for 142.177.104.168 (Also indicates IP is from the Toronto area) http://network-tools.com/default.asp?prog=express&Netnic=whois.arin.net… Wikipedia is too damn slow right now for me to do any real research but here are some links: . Something written by 142 which was later placed in meta (note the mention of us 'not using meta' ; '24' also charged the 'cabal' for this) http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabal An interchange between Axel and 142 http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Internet_troll 142 posting a complaint against AxelBoldt (I mistakenly told Jimbo on the phone that this was on the annoying users page) http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Wikipedia:Edit_wars_in_progress… __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com