Indeed...
However, among all Wikipedians, there seem to be larger numbers of
people under 35 than of people over that age, since for example a
22-year-old woman in most Western countries is at least somewhat
likely to not have a family of her own yet, restrictions from
traditional gender roles may not be an adequate explanation in many
cases.
However, what you say definitely is true. I have invited my own mom a
number of times to contribute to Wikipedia. She does have a bit of
free time and is a technical writer by profession and very
intellectual, but I think the two factors you mentioned together make
her less interested or able to contribute to Wikipedia on a regular
basis. Of course I don't know if this is the same hesitation you might
encounter from many people about contributing to Wikipedia, or if it
is indeed as I suspect the factors you mentioned.
But I think in general, in the age range I mentioned above, reasons
would probably be mostly cultural - many girls here think it's not
"cool" to be smart and that you should be exactly like everybody else
if you want to be popular. Boys seem to think the same thing, but I
think the difference is that, culturally, girls are taught to place a
great deal of importance on acceptance by a group, while boys are
taught to place a great deal of importance on personal achievements.
Thus, schools which we have in the area for highly gifted children
have, with no exceptions, a large number of boys but a tiny number of
girls.
This is because for many girls who *do* enjoy intellectual pursuits
and find time for them, social life is still more important than
cognitive challenge, and for those girls who might enjoy intellectual
pursuits but hide it because they think that it will make them less
"popular" it is in the long run a negative effect.
Thus, more women will be involved with making careers, raising
families, and social life, while more men will be involved with making
careers, pursuit of intellectual stimulation, and in some cases social
life.
While the true objective of any Wikipedian should be to improve the
quality of Wikipedia, one major motivation for many is a love of
learning. I for one crave the intellectual stimulation provided by the
seemingly endless supply of facts provided by Wikipedia, and by the
fact that I can also access such supplies in many different languages.
I think that, in general, Western society works to foster a lifelong
love of learning more in men than in women, and despite the successes
of the feminist movement, Western society in general is still very
much built on the idea that women should stay home and take care of
kids, while men should earn a living or even that men should live only
to seek intellectual and physical stimulation.
Mark
On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:08:42 -0800 (PST), Anthere <anthere9(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
Tim wrote "Why is Wikipedia so repellant to
women? I
couldn't begin to speculate.
Any ideas?"
Might have a couple ones to give.
I do not think it is a question of repellance.
You may notice than the under representation is
particularly critical for a age over 30-35. You may
ask female wikipedians their age to check. Most are
below 35.
The next question would be "do you have kids ?".
Generally, most women over 30-35 do have kids.
Check on google "free time, housework, women, men" and
contemplate results. All studies I know show that at
least in european countries, men enjoy a significantly
higher leisure time compared to women, essentially due
to less time spend on housework chores and children
care. This is especially significant as most
participants to Wikipedia are educated people, which
often implies working people (when over 30)
Ask a working mother how she occupies her time in the
evening versus how a man occupy his time, and I think
it will enlighten you.
This other point is significant as well I think. When
you are an already overworked mom, and your family or
most friends realise the time you spend over
Wikipedia, their comment is at best "you are crazy",
and at worse, "you are damaging your family". This is
not the type of comment a man having a serious
associative activity will get.
When you answer that you also have a brain (and enjoy
using it) and have the desire to participate to "big"
things, not only family and job, as you feel teaching
kids, though a very nice activity is not satisfying
you enough as a participation to the grand scheme of
things, a woman will often get as an answer "but you
can't feel you are useless, look, you have a nice
husband and great kids who need you and love you, you
are very important to them".
Who would ever DARE saying to a man that he should not
feel useless as he has kids to take care of ? Who
would ever dare say a man he should focus on doing his
job well and nurturing his kids before ever thinking
of using his abilities for social activities ?
I feel and resent very much the heavy weight of some
well-thinking people who would perfectly agree women
are just as bright and able than men, but comment with
a touch of despise that it is really not a good idea
not to focus on what is *really* important, family and
job.
I also invite you to reflect on Mark comment
On a more speculative note, on occasion
researchers
suggest that men tend to be more interested in
enlightenment-style "knowledge for
knowledge's sake", while women tend to be more
interested in applied fields (at least in CS and math,
which is where I've read the research). Wikipedia
definitely has interesting social and applied
aspects, but the joy of building a compendium of human
knowledge is very much an enlightenment-style project,
so that might attract a disproportionate number of
men.
There it is as well. Women like less knowledge for
knowledge sake, and more applied fields.
We mostly enjoy what we have the time and opportunity
to like Mark. Most women my age would love do more,
but they are currently running after job hours,
housechores, lice treatment, purchasing socks for the
kids, driving the kids to doctors, to friends
birthday, picking up presents for friends birthday,
cleaning up, cooking etc... This is very practical, it
has to be done. If not done, we see the deep serious
look of society considering this should first be done,
and done well, and fun or enlightement should come
after... when there is time for it.
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