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Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 16:30:16 +0200
From: Florence Devouard <Anthere9(a)yahoo.com>
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Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote:
Florence Devouard wrote:
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote:
Florence Devouard wrote:
> Hello,
>
> The menu on the left hand side lists, in this order
>
> Navigation
> Main Page
> Contents
> Featured content
> Current events
> Random article
> interaction
> About Wikipedia
> Community portal
> Recent changes
> Contact Wikipedia
> Donate to Wikipedia
> Help
> search
> search box
>
> ----------
>
> Problem: on small screens, the search box is not visible and readers
> must scroll each time they get to a new page to find it.
> Whether we are happy with this, or would prefer that people navigate
> three featured content or indexes or random article, does not change
> the
> fact that most poeple actually use search system on internet.
>
> What about changing the search box place ?
> Perhaps under the logo. Or below the Navigation block. Or fully at the
> top of the page ?
>
> Ant
I think if you mosey over to Special:Preferences and choose the
Skin Classic, your problems are much eased.
A completely different question is why it is only Classic
that places the box in that convenient location...
Yours;
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Jussi
Note that I enjoy a large laptop which does not create this problem.
It was reported to me by a head of web companies (whose name I will not
give) and who use a smaller laptop. Most users/readers of wikipedia have
NO idea there are different skins, and that they might have access to a
different interface if they were loggued-in.
Ant
Interesting. Reminds me of when we originally moved to
"monobook". There was a real but brief episode where
somebody using the nick "bgates" came into the channel
#wikipedia on Internet Relay Chat, and very swiftly
exited, after getting an answer that appeared to all
present to be a sincerely technical one...
I confess I have ever since wondered was that the "real"
"bgates" or just somebody with a sense of humour, who
nevertheless was discomfited by our move to monobook.
Yours,
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Eh :-)
Well, in this case, the guy was real :-)
I met him at
http://assisesdunumerique.fr/actualites/
Nice opportunity by the way, to mention that last week, I met with
various important people (at French scale), in the name of our prime
minister (Fillon), the minister of education and research (Pecresse) and
the secretary in charge of Innovation, digital economy and etc ... (Eric
Besson).
I had the very "blushing-experience" of being both cited by Fillon
(once) and Besson (twice) in a public event. I actually met Besson 3
times in two days, including a 7 members-2 hours breakfast at the
minister, around digital economy considerations.
One of the top (hot) topic is that Besson has been asked by the prime
minister to come with a series of propositions by end of july, regarding
digital economy in France. I must point out that the very-short delay
for this plan is
1) because our government was restructed recently (and for the first
time, digital economy was given to a specific minister, rather than
being nicely divided between minister of culture, of education, of
industry etc..., and
2) because France will become president of Europe this summer, so
obviously want to be a leading force of proposition in various areas,
including internet considerations.
Anyway, the Assises du Numerique are usually an opportunity for
*important* people (that is... politicians, industrial leaders, public
services) to discuss of the future of our country and come up with
propositions. Access is restricted.
This year, they decided to have unrestricted access to the Assises, the
expand them to a collection of local Assises all accross the country, to
let completely open the number of propositions which can be done, AND to
open a wiki to either comment or tweak the current propositions, or to
make NEW propositions. Is not that amazing ?
THe wiki was opened yesterday:
http://wiki.assisesdunumerique.fr/xwiki/bin/view/Assises/
Poeple must log in to access the wiki, but creation of account is
totally opened. I tested it yesterday during the Assises. License is
cc-by 1.0.
I hope the french editors will take direct action and be a force of
proposition. Otherwise, it would really mean that we should not complain
in the future if the laws and activity of the government does not please
us. We should only complain if they refuse our propositions ;-)
More to come later on the topic. Just wanted to mention it was the first
time that my government was actually OPENING a place for us to work on
action points together.
THIS is also thanks to us guys...
Ant
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Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 21:14:37 +0300
From: Jussi-Ville Heiskanen <cimonavaro(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Useability
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Florence Devouard wrote:
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote:
Interesting. Reminds me of when we originally
moved to
"monobook". There was a real but brief episode where
somebody using the nick "bgates" came into the channel
#wikipedia on Internet Relay Chat, and very swiftly
exited, after getting an answer that appeared to all
present to be a sincerely technical one...
I confess I have ever since wondered was that the "real"
"bgates" or just somebody with a sense of humour, who
nevertheless was discomfited by our move to monobook.
Yours,
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Eh :-)
Well, in this case, the guy was real :-)
I met him at
http://assisesdunumerique.fr/actualites/
Nice opportunity by the way, to mention that last week, I met with
various important people (at French scale), in the name of our prime
minister (Fillon), the minister of education and research (Pecresse) and
the secretary in charge of Innovation, digital economy and etc ... (Eric
Besson).
I had the very "blushing-experience" of being both cited by Fillon
(once) and Besson (twice) in a public event. I actually met Besson 3
times in two days, including a 7 members-2 hours breakfast at the
minister, around digital economy considerations.
One of the top (hot) topic is that Besson has been asked by the prime
minister to come with a series of propositions by end of july, regarding
digital economy in France. I must point out that the very-short delay
for this plan is
1) because our government was restructed recently (and for the first
time, digital economy was given to a specific minister, rather than
being nicely divided between minister of culture, of education, of
industry etc..., and
2) because France will become president of Europe this summer, so
obviously want to be a leading force of proposition in various areas,
including internet considerations.
Anyway, the Assises du Numerique are usually an opportunity for
*important* people (that is... politicians, industrial leaders, public
services) to discuss of the future of our country and come up with
propositions. Access is restricted.
This year, they decided to have unrestricted access to the Assises, the
expand them to a collection of local Assises all accross the country, to
let completely open the number of propositions which can be done, AND to
open a wiki to either comment or tweak the current propositions, or to
make NEW propositions. Is not that amazing ?
THe wiki was opened yesterday:
http://wiki.assisesdunumerique.fr/xwiki/bin/view/Assises/
Poeple must log in to access the wiki, but creation of account is
totally opened. I tested it yesterday during the Assises. License is
cc-by 1.0.
I hope the french editors will take direct action and be a force of
proposition. Otherwise, it would really mean that we should not complain
in the future if the laws and activity of the government does not please
us. We should only complain if they refuse our propositions ;-)
More to come later on the topic. Just wanted to mention it was the first
time that my government was actually OPENING a place for us to work on
action points together.
THIS is also thanks to us guys...
Ant
Very cool indeed. Just to continue on the theme of namedropping...
Bessons opposite number in Finnish government
(
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyrki_J._J._Kasvi ) is a very
old friend of mine - when I say old, I mean "when people used
to wear bell-bottoms" old.
Though Kasvi isn't currently so well known for his technology &
future related endevours, but as one of the prime movers in the
scandal that is currently shaking the whole Finnish political
system to its core, in regard to transparency of political
funding.
Though it is cool to add that my old friend has been very
active in updating all the articles on Finnish Parliamentarians
on The wikipedia.
Yours,
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
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Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:01:24 +0200
From: Florence Devouard <Anthere9(a)yahoo.com>
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Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote:
Florence Devouard wrote:
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote:
Interesting. Reminds me of when we originally
moved to
"monobook". There was a real but brief episode where
somebody using the nick "bgates" came into the channel
#wikipedia on Internet Relay Chat, and very swiftly
exited, after getting an answer that appeared to all
present to be a sincerely technical one...
I confess I have ever since wondered was that the "real"
"bgates" or just somebody with a sense of humour, who
nevertheless was discomfited by our move to monobook.
Yours,
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Eh :-)
Well, in this case, the guy was real :-)
I met him at
http://assisesdunumerique.fr/actualites/
Nice opportunity by the way, to mention that last week, I met with
various important people (at French scale), in the name of our prime
minister (Fillon), the minister of education and research (Pecresse) and
the secretary in charge of Innovation, digital economy and etc ... (Eric
Besson).
I had the very "blushing-experience" of being both cited by Fillon
(once) and Besson (twice) in a public event. I actually met Besson 3
times in two days, including a 7 members-2 hours breakfast at the
minister, around digital economy considerations.
One of the top (hot) topic is that Besson has been asked by the prime
minister to come with a series of propositions by end of july, regarding
digital economy in France. I must point out that the very-short delay
for this plan is
1) because our government was restructed recently (and for the first
time, digital economy was given to a specific minister, rather than
being nicely divided between minister of culture, of education, of
industry etc..., and
2) because France will become president of Europe this summer, so
obviously want to be a leading force of proposition in various areas,
including internet considerations.
Anyway, the Assises du Numerique are usually an opportunity for
*important* people (that is... politicians, industrial leaders, public
services) to discuss of the future of our country and come up with
propositions. Access is restricted.
This year, they decided to have unrestricted access to the Assises, the
expand them to a collection of local Assises all accross the country, to
let completely open the number of propositions which can be done, AND to
open a wiki to either comment or tweak the current propositions, or to
make NEW propositions. Is not that amazing ?
THe wiki was opened yesterday:
http://wiki.assisesdunumerique.fr/xwiki/bin/view/Assises/
Poeple must log in to access the wiki, but creation of account is
totally opened. I tested it yesterday during the Assises. License is
cc-by 1.0.
I hope the french editors will take direct action and be a force of
proposition. Otherwise, it would really mean that we should not complain
in the future if the laws and activity of the government does not please
us. We should only complain if they refuse our propositions ;-)
More to come later on the topic. Just wanted to mention it was the first
time that my government was actually OPENING a place for us to work on
action points together.
THIS is also thanks to us guys...
Ant
Very cool indeed. Just to continue on the theme of namedropping...
Bessons opposite number in Finnish government
(
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyrki_J._J._Kasvi ) is a very
old friend of mine - when I say old, I mean "when people used
to wear bell-bottoms" old.
Can you clarify the meaning of that delicate old-saying ?
Though Kasvi isn't currently so well known
for his technology &
future related endevours, but as one of the prime movers in the
scandal that is currently shaking the whole Finnish political
system to its core, in regard to transparency of political
funding.
What is this scandal about ? :-)
Ant
Though it is cool to add that my old friend has
been very
active in updating all the articles on Finnish Parliamentarians
on The wikipedia.
Yours,
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
------------------------------
Message: 4
Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 06:34:05 +0300
From: Jussi-Ville Heiskanen <cimonavaro(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Useability
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Florence Devouard wrote:
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote:
Florence Devouard wrote:
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote:
> Interesting. Reminds me of when we originally moved to
> "monobook". There was a real but brief episode where
> somebody using the nick "bgates" came into the channel
> #wikipedia on Internet Relay Chat, and very swiftly
> exited, after getting an answer that appeared to all
> present to be a sincerely technical one...
>
> I confess I have ever since wondered was that the "real"
> "bgates" or just somebody with a sense of humour, who
> nevertheless was discomfited by our move to monobook.
>
> Yours,
>
> Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Eh :-)
Well, in this case, the guy was real :-)
I met him at
http://assisesdunumerique.fr/actualites/
Nice opportunity by the way, to mention that last week, I met with
various important people (at French scale), in the name of our prime
minister (Fillon), the minister of education and research (Pecresse)
and
the secretary in charge of Innovation, digital economy and etc ...
(Eric
Besson).
I had the very "blushing-experience" of being both cited by Fillon
(once) and Besson (twice) in a public event. I actually met Besson 3
times in two days, including a 7 members-2 hours breakfast at the
minister, around digital economy considerations.
One of the top (hot) topic is that Besson has been asked by the prime
minister to come with a series of propositions by end of july,
regarding
digital economy in France. I must point out that the very-short delay
for this plan is
1) because our government was restructed recently (and for the first
time, digital economy was given to a specific minister, rather than
being nicely divided between minister of culture, of education, of
industry etc..., and
2) because France will become president of Europe this summer, so
obviously want to be a leading force of proposition in various areas,
including internet considerations.
Anyway, the Assises du Numerique are usually an opportunity for
*important* people (that is... politicians, industrial leaders, public
services) to discuss of the future of our country and come up with
propositions. Access is restricted.
This year, they decided to have unrestricted access to the Assises, the
expand them to a collection of local Assises all accross the country,
to
let completely open the number of propositions which can be done, AND
to
open a wiki to either comment or tweak the current propositions, or to
make NEW propositions. Is not that amazing ?
THe wiki was opened yesterday:
http://wiki.assisesdunumerique.fr/xwiki/bin/view/Assises/
Poeple must log in to access the wiki, but creation of account is
totally opened. I tested it yesterday during the Assises. License is
cc-by 1.0.
I hope the french editors will take direct action and be a force of
proposition. Otherwise, it would really mean that we should not
complain
in the future if the laws and activity of the government does not
please
us. We should only complain if they refuse our propositions ;-)
More to come later on the topic. Just wanted to mention it was the
first
time that my government was actually OPENING a place for us to work on
action points together.
THIS is also thanks to us guys...
Ant
Very cool indeed. Just to continue on the theme of namedropping...
Bessons opposite number in Finnish government
(
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyrki_J._J._Kasvi ) is a very
old friend of mine - when I say old, I mean "when people used
to wear bell-bottoms" old.
Can you clarify the meaning of that delicate old-saying ?
In practical terms, I first met him at a science fiction
convention in Sweden, in the 1980's (85 - 87 or thereabouts.
He is a genuinely good guy who has made the international
press through having his election campaign web pages include
a klingon language version.
Though Kasvi isn't currently so well known
for his technology &
future related endevours, but as one of the prime movers in the
scandal that is currently shaking the whole Finnish political
system to its core, in regard to transparency of political
funding.
What is this scandal about ? :-)
It seems there was an "accepted practise" whereby politicians
would "finesse" a law they had themselves passed about publicity
of conflict of interests, through disclosing only innocently
named "shell associations" as their campaign financers, so as to
avoid having to disclose the businessmens identity who were the
real force behind those associations which had no other function
than to be a nice name to disclose.
This would have continued with very lax scrutiny, but for one
politician refusing to name even the shell companys name, because
he had assurances that though illegal, such non-disclosure would
carry no punishment.
The poor chap had entirely forgot the court of public opinion.
:D
As my friend J. J. Kasvi asked some very pointed questions
about these kind of acts from a person who is supposed to pass
the laws, the press have had a field day, exposing the
money-men behind the curtains.
> Though it is cool to add that my old friend
has been very
> active in updating all the articles on Finnish Parliamentarians
> on The wikipedia.
yours
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
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Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 01:42:18 -0400
From: "Elias Friedman" <elipongo(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Useability
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On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 4:29 AM, Florence Devouard <Anthere9(a)yahoo.com>
wrote:
Problem: on small screens, the search box is not
visible and readers
must scroll each time they get to a new page to find it.
Whether we are happy with this, or would prefer that people navigate
three featured content or indexes or random article, does not change the
fact that most poeple actually use search system on internet.
What about changing the search box place ?
Perhaps under the logo. Or below the Navigation block. Or fully at the
top of the page ?
Ant <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l>
There's actually a discussion going on currently about this very
issue/proposal at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28proposals%29#Move_th…
or, if that link's too long for your email reader try:
http://tinyurl.com/48l3ww
Cheers!
--
Elias Friedman A.S., EMT-P
President Congregation Knesseth Israel
http://www.ellingtonshul.org/
elipongo(a)gmail.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Elipongo
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