On Monday 23 September 2002 07:55 pm, Fred wrote: Do you ever have anything positive to say here or do you just enjoy insulting people you don't like (mostly me)? Name calling is a childish game played by children and those with weak minds in an atempt to cheaply "win" an arguement they feel they would otherwise lose. With that said, I wouldn't at all mind the replacement of the deletion function with a de-linking from the database function; When a page is de-linked from database then all links to it would be replaced by an empty link and the de-linked page would be listed on a log page (this would be similar to Microsoft's Recycle Bin). Then all the micro-stub lovers could pick and choose at their leisure the micro-stubs they wish to turn into stubs and the history of who first typed the epic prose of "fill in", or "Pete Rose was a ball player. Jesus rules!" or my favorite "I am the bomb and you all know that i am the bomb and you all know that i will always be the bomb regardless of what anyy of you have to say about the fact that i am the bomb and about the fact that i will always be the bomb" will be preserved. But then there is the problem of badly named pages that resulted from typos or vandalism, such as the hypothetical [[DON QUIOTE LIKES CARROTS]] or [[When Derams May COme]]. It would be silly to keep a page history, even one hidden under an edit link, for a page title that will never become an article or even a redirect. There is also the problem of copyright violations that need to be removed for legal reasons. So unless the developers or the software itself periodically clears-out the recycle bin by permanently deleting old de-linked pages, then there are significant draw-backs to this plan. -- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)